Subject: SLID feedback
From: Erica Adams
To: All
Date Posted: 17:06:03 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: ericamonique82@hotmail.com
Entered From: adsl-074-185-005-235.sip.clt.bellsouth.net at 74.185.5.235
Message:
This is after just a quick glance at your proposal and without knowing many of the details.
I don't quite understand how you will have the proposed $25-$30 billion in 6 months by levering the countries resources. 6 months is a really short time for such a sizable amount of money. Are you saying you'll be able to have these monies in hand within 6 months?
You all talked about doing this without donor funds. I don't know if this is really necessary. I have often wondered about the corporate citizenry of these big companies overseas. In the states they all have a corporate giving wing of their organizations, are they really taken to task and required to be good corporate citizens in Africa. You are going to need a trained workforce so this would be one way this could be paid for; through corporate sponsorship. I don't think this will foster dependence and these companies should be giving back on a larger scale.
You talked about education for all, I read recently there is a shortage of teachers. How will this plan address this?
With farming, how will you address the need for proper training and farming technology and what is the plan for modernized farm equipment. What's the plan to move from subsistence farming to feeding the country and ending the dependence on food imports and moving to food exports.
Does SL have sufficient control over its natural resources? If not, what is the plan to do so?
How will SL begin to mine its own natural resources?
Whats the plan for trade and marketing these resources?
Are there binding contract with companies that would make taking control over these resources impossible right now?
One caution I see with this plan is the case of Mozambique. When they took control of their diamonds, they were shut out of the diamond market. The big diamond companies wanted them to play the game their way or not at all. Maybe someone on the forum is familiar with this.
Salone has the potential for becoming a model state with the proper use of resources and the will of the people. The size of the country makes this a managable task. With conflict in the past and the newly democratically elected president, this makes Sierra Leone attractive to investors as long as peace is in place. Transparency and accountability are such buzz words right now so this administration really has to be on top of things down to the number of paper clips on their desks.
Subject: Re: SLID feedback
From: Mohamed Fofana
To: All
Date Posted: 17:21:44 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 204.108.68.10
Message:
ERICA,
PLEASE ADD YOUR IMPUT TO THESE GUYS HAVE PROPOSED. BETTER STILL IF YOU HAVE YOUR OWN PLAN, PRESENT IT. IF YOU HAVE ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS, STATE THEM.
WE SHOULD AVOID THE NAGATIVISM. THESE 2 GUYS HAVE DONE WHAT THEY CAN. CAN YOU PLEASE ADD TO THAT OR QUIT BEING NEGATIVE?????
Subject: Re: SLID feedback
From: Bright Piece of Illiterate Nonsense
To: All
Date Posted: 18:07:53 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
Mr. Fofana,
Erica Adam's questions/comments were very thought-provoking and reasonable, as even "A-1" proposals/plans do have flaws and shortcomings. I see her questions as an attempt to initiate the post-proposal dialogue that very often fleshes out the practical implications that may not have been foreseen by its initiators. If anything, her questions/comments have contributed more to the original proposal than your otherwise gallant attempt to dismiss her.
Subject: Re: SLID feedback
From: Erica Adams
To: All
Date Posted: 17:27:07 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: ericamonique82@hotmail.com
Entered From: adsl-074-185-005-235.sip.clt.bellsouth.net at 74.185.5.235
Message:
I'm not being negative. You can't see the post now and it's not archived yet, but yesterday someone asked me specifically for my input. I didn't take my time looking through this manifesto just to be critical. I posed the questions because just by looking at the document I didn't know the answers.
Subject: MBALU: ARE YOU A LEIBIAN?? COME OUT SISTER!
From: Ttatalya.
To: All
Date Posted: 15:04:57 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
MBALU I AM SERIOUS. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, ONECE AGAIN I AM ASKING YOU. ARE A LESBIAN???? ONE DAY, YOU WILL COME OUT OF THE CLOSET AND TELL US THAT YOU ARE ONE. WHY? YOUR REASON WILL BE; "WELL MEN ALWAYS DUMPED ME BECAUSE OF MY LACK OF SEXUAL PLEASURE DUE TO FGM.
WE NEED TO KNOW NOW PROFESSOR!!
Subject: Re: MBALU: ARE YOU A LEIBIAN?? COME OUT SISTER!
From: Sadam Insane
To: All
Date Posted: 15:14:37 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: sorba_1@yahoo.com
Entered From: at 209.116.81.187
Message:
Guys lets leave Mbalu alone. She is fighting for a cause and we hard her loud and clear. So what if she is a Lesbian? After all, all Harford school girls are lesbians. Just that they called it fejeh. So she will not be the first.
Insane I am.
Subject: For Togondoe on FGM Vs. FGC VS FGP, wow!
From: Mbalu
To: All
Date Posted: 14:05:31 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: eduproxy2.k12.de.us at 167.21.254.12
Message:
Toe,
First of all, I wish to acknowledge that I have followed your postings on this forum, your articles to Cocorioko's main page and I read your own website and I must say that I admire your courage and sense of responsibility. I am not here to praise you, but you are one guy I admire and I look forward to meeting you soon. I always visit New brunswick area and will find a slick way to meet you. Thanks for your good work.
To respond to your posting on FGM vs FGC (female Genital Circumcision) Vs FGP (Female Genital Piercing), I must first agree with you. Maybe switching the name to Female Genital Circumcision or simply Female Circumcision will be more civil and kind of a more toned-down language. I agree, but I did not coin that phrase.
You want to know my take on FGC vs. FGP. Toe, I am surprised that as intelligent as you are you get two things that have no connection confused. What are you talking about? Some adult decideds to place a tatoo on their body, or hang a ring from their ear, or use contact lenses when they medically donot need them or Pierce their clitoris and hand a ring from it and you compare that with female circumcision. FGP is an adult's decision. It is not a culture, no body forces them to do that. Go to S/L today and I bet our sisters are doing the same just as they have picked up tatooing especially their lower backs so that you JCs can have a nice sight during your "butu motion" connection - sorry, I just want to be funny:). So please donot compare apples and oranges.
As far as branding me as a westernized sycophant, brother you got that one wrong too. Why are you calling me names because I choose to fight against an outdated and barbaric tradition. I said this before and I am going to say it again. I donot give a hoot about any western people and what they have to say about our traditions. I am picking a fight against something I personally experienced and you accuse me of selling out. That is one reason why when I go to Freetown to continue this fight, I am going to spend my own hard-earned dollars. I could hook up with people I know within certain circles here in the U.S. and raise quick funds, but guess what? I am not doing it for money. I donot want my daughter or younger S/Leonean sisters to suffer from low sex drive and possiblly contract diseases from non-sterile instruments used to cut off their precious clitoris.
You also mention that if FGM is cried down,then medicine should equally be cried down due to medical malpractices. That is another area wherein you really surprised me. Your thinking process during the time you wrote your piece must be really fuzzy to compare the two. A medical malpractice is often times a pure accident and the overall benefit we get from medicine outweighs the few problems associated with it. Common man, be real.
Last but not least, you mentioned that non-FGM females have more hygiene problem and are more prone to contracting AIDS. Not to insult you, but that is a silly and an uneducated pronouncement. Absolute garbage. Look here, if a female does not wash that thing (FGM or NOT) it STINKS BAD BAD. If a female washes up everytime they go to the bathroom, like our people back home, then that thing will ABSOLUTELY smell like a FRUIT BASKET. And even you Toe can go down without hesitation (I mean lick, suck or eat the pussy, whatever!). As far as getting AIDS is concerned, I am not gonna comment. Only a fool will think that AIDS will discriminate against non-FGM females. Those of us who studied science at secondary school level in S/L know better.
I love you Toegondoe, have a great weekend. How is Charles Margai doing anyway?
Subject: Re: For Togondoe on FGM Vs. FGC VS FGP, wow!
From: Researcher
To: All
Date Posted: 14:44:06 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
How about using the word colorize for a change? Or clitorisation?
Subject: Re: For Togondoe on FGM Vs. FGC VS FGP, wow!
From: Bai Bureh
To: All
Date Posted: 14:51:16 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: rastafari_ish@hotmail.com
Entered From: master-02.brg.sgsnet.se at 193.11.202.74
Message:
DECLITORISATION can supercede FGM much better.
Subject: Re: For Togondoe on FGM Vs. FGC VS FGP, wow!
From: Researcher
To: All
Date Posted: 14:57:30 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ppp-68-91-34-65.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net at 68.91.34.65
Message:
Oh I see.
Subject: Re: For Togondoe on FGM Vs. FGC VS FGP, wow!
From: Bai Bureh
To: All
Date Posted: 14:31:36 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: rastafari_ish@hotmail.com
Entered From: master-02.brg.sgsnet.se at 193.11.202.74
Message:
Hey! You know what, now that Ramadan is over I am making the same proposal I made few months back and that is about wanting to take your hand in marriage. If you think I am too ugly and not educated enough to be your husband or you are too beautiful enough to be my wife,just a trial will convince you that you are wrong big time. ORYANDO EEYAYMA KOR BOATAMU EH KALA.ee YAYMA NANTHA MU MBORH.WOASANEMI LEMP LEMP!
Now that your stand in FGM is clear and rigid, what is your take on gays and lesbians?
Subject: Re: For Togondoe on FGM Vs. FGC VS FGP, wow!
From: Mbalu
To: All
Date Posted: 15:54:19 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: eduproxy2.k12.de.us at 167.21.254.12
Message:
Not my area of interest. You can take on the gays and lesbians all you want.
Subject: ENOUGH OF THIS NONSENSE ... WE HEAR YOU
From: TAKE THIS RESEARCH ELSEWHERE
To: All
Date Posted: 14:17:19 10/19/07 ()
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Subject: Palo Conteh
From: Ayodele
To: All
Date Posted: 13:29:46 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: dele25@yahoo.com
Entered From: pool-70-17-81-246.res.east.verizon.net at 70.17.81.246
Message:
The negative articles on Palo Conteh's trip to the United States illustrates why Sierra Leoneans from the Diaspora are reluctant to go home and serve their county. Since 1990 Palo Conteh has travelled to the United States over 20( Twenty) times from the United Kingdom where lives, to see his extensive family and friends who are in the US. He only becomes Defence Minister after been confirmed by Parliament and takes the Oath of Office. We love and respect Palo for his discipline and commitment to Sierra Leone and we wish him well and hope President Koroma's inspired choice
will soon be appreciated by Sierra Leoneans.
Subject: Why are we so backward?
From: Fen Plaba!
To: All
Date Posted: 13:17:32 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
I love Salone but we must admit to ourselves that we have a negative, backward culture that is holding us back. This has nothing to do with being "dazzled and blinded" by Western culture, or an inferiority complex.
Any country that permits the slicing of the clitora of its womenfolk (Bondo), allows the brutalization, incuding the mutilation of the backs of boys (Poro), and the rampant dehumanization in other societies like Wondeh, Gbangbani, Ojeh and others... needs a serious reality check.
Most of these secret societies have zero cultural value right now. They have been hijacked by politicians and mainly used, as opposed to the past, to intimidate opponents and "strangers". Unless we reevaluate our priorities, our vaunted culture that we are so jingoistic about, will continue to hold us back. And there is nothing a political party can do about it!
Subject: Re: Why are we so backward?
From: Sadam Insane
To: All
Date Posted: 13:51:03 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: sorba_1@yahoo.com
Entered From: at 209.116.81.187
Message:
We you see Limba man look and call e pikin MANDAY nor to for natin bra. You nor talk but creole man & wate man lodge oh. May be na wa a crase
Subject: Re: Why are we so backward?
From: Observer
To: All
Date Posted: 13:59:01 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
Secret societies are all a bunch rubbish. Where were they when Foday Sankoh was on the rampage with his
following of crazed child soldiers?
Subject: Abarakasefa, abarakafa - hand go- hand cam
From: Candid Opinion
To: All
Date Posted: 12:58:49 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ns.nucleusns2.com at 12.44.12.126
Message:
A mandingo or susu phrase, i dont know if i pronounced fine..
Give a helping hand today..
Lets leave the sweah talk, and belittling comments for satuday..
Tiday nah Friday...
If mosque nor dey near you...
Pull sara here..
If even you gave some at the mosque or church.
Skip 1 beer tonight..
Or 1 less hamburger this week.
5 bucks..
We are trying to raise a 1000 to send to this poor poor lady.
Subject: Re: Abarakasefa, abarakafa - hand go- hand cam
From: Four Foot Arata
To: All
Date Posted: 13:30:43 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
Bra Candid - Wey you de geda people dem money so – how we go get for know say the money done reach de pikin.
Ar trust you, but me pardi dem de laugh me say – na money way are done donate nor get for reach na pikin, na for natin I donate.
Please prove them wrong, and tell me and other skeptics on this forum how we will all know that the total of “X” dollars came from VSL or Candid Opinion to Pikin Business.
By the way - I sabi Ardonis O!
Subject: Re: Abarakasefa, abarakafa - hand go- hand cam
From: Candid Opinion
To: All
Date Posted: 13:54:26 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ns.nucleusns2.com at 12.44.12.126
Message:
Well if you di donate, great.. if not.. dont waste my time..
This amount of effort, while at work.. risking my job, been online almost 8 hours a day apst 3 days..
For you 20 dollars.. or 50.. or hundred..
You think ah idle.. or ah nor get pikin dem for feed..
Fityeye...
YOur concience is all that matters..
If you did give without hesitation.or pressure.. and with a heart heavy seeing another human down.. and dont want to just pass by without asking, can i help..
No need for ask...You have done your part..blessings are already credited to your account..
VSL is handling this.. and trust me.. we oba dey solid..
Sorry if i sound a bit harsh..dont want anyone else to joke this kind joke.. pan fityeye..
Subject: Re: Abarakasefa, abarakafa - hand go- hand cam
From: PLEASE!
To: All
Date Posted: 14:12:57 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
Maybe let me say it in English - I have already donated, and because of that I believe my question was a legitimate one. I gave with all my heart and God’s know, so please separate my giving from the question that I asked. My question is one of accountability because YES! I would like to know whether my donation is used for the intended purpose. People give to charities like United Way, etc. and they ask questions, so was it wrong for me to ask? Besides, I do not know the folks at VSL – the only reason I donate THROUGH them was because of you, and see how you are addressing my question.
Me man – why do we do such to one another. I trusted you instructions and give without any reservations, but know that I ask questions you get offended. Please!
Subject: Re: Abarakasefa, abarakafa - hand go- hand cam
From: Candid Opinion
To: All
Date Posted: 14:24:19 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ns.nucleusns2.com at 12.44.12.126
Message:
Sorry.. sorry..sorry..
I did not mean it to sound like it came across..
I am nor offended, not at all..
I did thank you for donating.
Well if you di donate, great.. if not.. dont waste my time.. ---candidO
When i saw the 2 foot arata handle it seemed like a joke and i subconciously became defensive.
My question is one of accountability because YES! I would like to know whether my donation is used for the intended purpose. People give to charities like United Way, etc. and they ask questions, so was it wrong for me to ask? Besides, I do not know the folks at VSL – the only reason I donate THROUGH them was because of you, and see how you are addressing my question. ---(Dont even know what to call you)
Thanks for the trust..
VSL is our own baby, and the same trust you extended to me, please extent tru me to VSL...thats all i can ask...
We have a member goign to salone next couple of days.
They will hand over the money to Adonis Abboud (I hear he is in the UK) as soon as possible, and have a receipt posted on VSL.
God Bless..
Sorry again.. your handle, and the tone of your last post prompted the last responds..
Subject: Re: Abarakasefa, abarakafa - hand go- hand cam
From: Sadam Insane
To: All
Date Posted: 14:35:06 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: sorba_1@yahoo.com
Entered From: at 209.116.81.187
Message:
Send me your 501(C)(3) number so I can claim my donation come tax time.
Thanks
Subject: Re: Abarakasefa, abarakafa - hand go- hand cam
From: Candid Opinion
To: All
Date Posted: 14:44:38 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ns.nucleusns2.com at 12.44.12.126
Message:
You are not donation to me, I do not have a number..
There will be no claiming on this side of the realm sadam.. Your claim will be made one you meet god..
This nah Charity, noto ossusu..
Okay, i had to joke a bit..
But this is all for give sake.. nothing to claim..
Charity is channeled tru pikin bizness and i doubt if they know what a 501(C) is, of that applies to salone charities.
Read about our effort here.
http://forum.visitsierraleone.org/forum_posts.asp?TID=2314&FID=10&PR=3&PN=1
We are just championing this..to give the boy and mother a day or 2 of smiles..maybe a toy.. maybe warm cloths.. anything.. We just believe she must have been tru hell past year..
Subject: Apology Accepted
From: Palva Don
To: All
Date Posted: 14:28:24 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
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Subject: Factual Indicators
From: Sadam Insane
To: All
Date Posted: 12:46:36 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: sorba_1@yahoo.com
Entered From: at 209.116.81.187
Message:
When APC came to power, the president rush to swear himself in the very same day he was elected. After that, the president went to work. on of the sudden, he called all the former ministers and told them to stay in their respective positions and they did. After that, he appointed few ministers, and then few more and that was it. Now all his doing is photo-up with Jack and Jill. We are now approaching the 100 days deadline and this is what he has accomplished so far:
1 Do nothing
2. Do nothing
3. Photo-up with chiefs
4. Photo-up with fulas
5. Photo-up with Liberian President
6. Gave the most demamding misistry to his girl friend. I mean energy and power ministry
7. Have started to monkey around with little kids
8. Photo-up with the power plant employees
9. Chastized Sam Sumana aka sleep head
10 Do nothing.
When is he ever going to gets of his behind and do something. I guess I am just insane to see all these things.
Subject: FOR ITK: Berewa: "We got the votes but lost the elections"
From: Correction
To: All
Date Posted: 12:29:47 10/19/07 ()
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Message:
ITK wrote: "There's no need for pointless sarcasm; this is a serious matter of national concern. The credibility of the NEC (and to some extent, the 2007 election)is at stake. You obviously do not recall that 2 Commissioners resigned over the handling of this matter-- on the grounds of what they deemed questionable conduct by the Commissioner."
ITK:
Sorry abut the late reply. I am afraid that what you consider "sarcasm" is anything but. It is an incontrovertible fact -- attested to by multiple credible sources in the international community and by the actions of the SLPP and its leader, Solomon Berewa -- that the SLPP and Mr. Berewa are foolish.
It is that fact which dooms your defense of them against charges that they were complicit in the "over-voting" and illegal obstruction of opposition candidates in the south-east of Salone during the last elections. As you would recall, that defense consisted of your opinion that the SLPP and Berewa did not attempt to rig the south-east polls because they would not be so foolish to do that in a SLPP stronghold. Your opinion is easily dismissed based on its demonstrably false assumption that both SLPP and Berewa are not foolish.
As regards your attempted justification of the violence perpetrated against opposition leaders, Koroma and Margai ("Koroma was warned not to go into those areas with Charles Margai-- someone the people considered Enemy Number 1 at the time. "), let me ask you a question: Since when did any citizen or group of citizens have the right to declare any public place in Salone out of bounds to another citizen of Salone?
Finally, I don't think you need worry about the credibility of the NEC -- certainly not at the behest of the SLPP regime. It seems to me that the SLPP's sudden apparent conversion to accountability should start with its leaders -- Kabbah and Berewa -- accounting to the people of SL for their devastation of the standard of living of millions of Sierra Leoneans during there regime, while they received over $2 billion ion foreign aid.
After -- but not before -- accounting fore their apparent malfeasance, the SLPP can then ask the NEC to account for the much more recent and relatively insignificant claims being bandied around desperately
by the shameless SLPP cabal.
______________________________________________________________________________________________
Posted by ITK on October 18, 2007 at 11:32:19:
In Reply to: Re: Berewa : "We got the votes but lost the elections" posted by Correction on October 17, 2007 at 22:06:21:
Correction:
There's no need for pointless sarcasm; this is a serious matter of national concern. The credibility of the NEC (and to some extent, the 2007 election)is at stake. You obviously do not recall that 2 Commissioners resigned over the handling of this matter-- on the grounds of what they deemed questionable conduct by the Commissioner.
To answer your question, this is what I am saying:
In its statement certifying the results, the NEC indicated that it had invalidated votes (something it did not relish doing) as it had determined that such action would not affect the outcome of the elections. While one can accept this at face value (as the SLPP did), given the NEC's reticence to disenfranchise voters-- as it in fact did, it ought to have provided concrete evidence to support its determination.
Additionally, the NEC indicated in its statement that it had "discovered" fraudulent result forms from polling station throughout the country, and subsequently "recovered" some of the true, original forms, the results of which were added to the presidential election tally. Something just does not go down well with this statement. There needs to be a full explanation as to how this occurred under the NEC's nose and watchful eyes.
Last, the NEC indicated that it would "continue to collaborate with the law enforcement agencies in the investigations of ALL ELECTORAL MALPRACTICES REPORTED" (emphasis mine). This is absolutetly essential, but more importantly, there must be a satisfactory rconclusion to such investigations.
BTW, (not that I condone the violence that was involved-- I don't), Koroma was warned not to go into those areas with Charles Margai-- someone the people considered Enemy Number 1 at the time. Very relaiable sources told me that the people had no problem with Koroma campaigning, provided he did not bring CM with him, as he planned to do. I don't blame them-- you just don't unilaterally pledge the support of voters to a party they historically detest. Especially when you make yourself out to be an agent of change, and succeed in attracting those voters away from their traditional party of affiliation. I trust that I do not need to further elaborate.
Subject: Re: FOR ITK: Berewa: "We got the votes but lost the elections"
From: ITK
To: All
Date Posted: 15:19:29 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 38.98.119.16
Message:
Correction:
No problem. I know folks have a life outside of Cocoriko.
As for your reply, you are merely shifting the goalposts (and obviously trying too hard to villify the SLPP).
Provide credible support for your statement that the SLPP "were complicit in the 'over-voting'", and you and I have no argument. Better yet, read the NEC statement with respect to its certification of the presidential election results. Tell me where exactly the SLPP's "complicity" is reflected.
With respect to the attack of the Koroma/Margai convoy, tell me what part of my statement you don't understand, and I can help you. Better yet, Read my lips: I did not then and do not now condone that act of violence, just as I did not condone the attacks on SLPP supporters during the election campaign, the violence perpetrated against SLPP Ministers (as well as their relatives)after the elections, nor the destruction of SLPP properties, as recent as last week.
Last, I suggest you take out your dictionary, review the meaning of the word "justify", and then re-visit my posting and yours. Thereafter, tell me where I attempted to justify any act of violence. Maybe you simply missed (or chose to ignore) it-- I specifically said that I don't condone whatever violence had occurred.
Subject: Re: FOR ITK: Berewa: "We got the votes but lost the elections"
From: Obai
To: All
Date Posted: 13:06:57 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
I agree with you. Anybody in Sierra Leone has the right to pledge support to any party he chooses. That should be justification by violent SLPPers to attack Charles Margai or Ernest Koroma. The SLPP must renounce violence once and for all if it wants to be taken seriously.
Subject: Re: FOR ITK: Berewa: "We got the votes but lost the elections"
From: Kamara
To: All
Date Posted: 17:25:28 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
Obai. What is the justification of the latest and past violent attacks on the SLPP by the APC supporters.
Subject: Re: FOR ITK: Berewa: "We got the votes but lost the elections"
From: Obai
To: All
Date Posted: 13:08:25 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
Oops, I meant top write, "That should NOT be justification by violent SLPPers to attack Charles Margai or Ernest Koroma."
Subject: Re: FOR ITK: Berewa: "We got the votes but lost the elections"
From: ITK
To: All
Date Posted: 15:54:15 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 38.98.119.16
Message:
Obai:
I absolutely agree with you-- one can support any party one wishes to support. But that is not what my posting referred to in passing. Rather, it alluded to the fact that lifelong supporters of the SLPP felt betrayed by Charles Margai's unilateral pledge of PMDC support to the APC candidate. Ordinarily, this would not be a big issue, except:
(1) CM had wooed these SLPP supporters with a message that suggested that he/PMDC would be agents of change-- one that positioned the party as a viable alternative to traditional SLPP supportyers in the Southeast, only to cast his lot with a party that most, if not all, of said supporters reject outright; and
(2) CM made the pledge, in the minds of many, unilaterally and in a cavalier manner (resulting, in fact, ina pr nightmare and resignation of a party official).
To spare me repeating myself, read my response to Correction regarding justification of the attack on CM and Koroma.
Subject: Re: Defence Minister and APC Victory dance in Washington DC
From: Jan
To: All
Date Posted: 10:05:04 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: host86-129-111-132.range86-129.btcentralplus.com at 86.129.111.132
Message:
Who is footing the bill for the defence minister's (Palor Conteh) trip? I suspect it will be the tax payer because Palor would not have contemplated such a trip from Sierra Leone had he not been a minister. If this trip is nothing but official then fine otherwise it will be construed as a misuse of power which could be a breach of his fiduciary duties at this early stage of his political career.
Subject: Re: Defence Minister and APC Victory dance in Washington DC
From: SHOOT UP
To: All
Date Posted: 10:53:21 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: pool-71-187-64-127.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net at 71.187.64.127
Message:
Retired Major Parlor contemplated on this trip way before his appointment. Do you know that he has his son and fiancé here in the US? Major has been in the U.S on two separate occasions this year. Did you pay for his traveling expenses?
In fact, he not has officially took his appointment, how can the Government pay for his trip?
It is people like you who have not been back home for dooms years, writing all kinds of trash on the internet. Why don’t you do something productive for yourself and your country?
Do you know how much he had to endure since 1986.It takes a lot for him to even think of going back considering all the odds against him. His perseverance is a testimony that all our ex-military Power Brains Can come back and become positive part of our nation building effort.
As the next Defense Chief, our military Moral will rise from 0 TO 360 degrees. Take my word to the bank and stuff it up your …………………and shut up.
FOOL
Subject: Re: Defence Minister and APC Victory dance in Washington DC
From: Jan
To: All
Date Posted: 11:39:07 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: host86-147-238-122.range86-147.btcentralplus.com at 86.147.238.122
Message:
I have made my points. Period!
Subject: Re: Defence Minister and APC Victory dance in Washington DC
From: Pointless
To: All
Date Posted: 12:04:19 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-dtc-ag14.proxy.aol.com at 205.188.117.142
Message:
The only [point you have made is that which marks you points as pointless.
Subject: Re: Defence Minister and APC Victory dance in Washington DC
From: Bai Bureh
To: All
Date Posted: 10:18:05 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: rastafari_ish@hotmail.com
Entered From: dator6071.161.gbgsd.se at 62.88.181.216
Message:
Buddy how many tax-payers do you have in Salone?
Subject: Bai Bureh - We dey take 5-10-20 anytin..
From: Candid Opinion
To: All
Date Posted: 11:04:27 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ns.nucleusns2.com at 12.44.12.126
Message:
Can you imagine the smile on this boys face..
Stop typing for a second.. and picture it...
http://awoko.org/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=1226&cntnt01returnid=15
This face.. with a smile on it..
And at the bottom scrolling text..
This smile brought to you by Bai Bureh..
Watin beat that on a friday like this when we cant get to the mosque.
Please click here to donate.
http://forum.visitsierraleone.org/forum_posts.asp?TID=2314&PID=27487#27487
Subject: We TAKE 5-10-20-50-100 Anytin
From: Candid Opinion
To: All
Date Posted: 10:09:19 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ns.nucleusns2.com at 12.44.12.126
Message:
Please pull sara..Its FRIDAY
http://forum.visitsierraleone.org/forum_posts.asp?TID=2314&PID=27487#27487
http://forum.visitsierraleone.org/forum_posts.asp?TID=2314&FID=10&PR=3
Subject: Re: We TAKE 5-10-20-50-100 Anytin
From: SHABBA
To: All
Date Posted: 11:37:18 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: us_proxy_indy.xh1.lilly.com at 40.0.40.10
Message:
I do not want to sign-up on VSL, so what are my other options to donate.
Thanks!
Subject: Re: We TAKE 5-10-20-50-100 Anytin
From: Candid Opinion
To: All
Date Posted: 12:12:50 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ns.nucleusns2.com at 12.44.12.126
Message:
Shabba..
You shouldn't need a paypal account... but obviously they try to point you in the other direction. See where it says; Dont have a paypal account? click continue
Thanks man..
God Blell You and yours.
Subject: Re: We TAKE 5-10-20-50-100 Anytin
From: SHABBA
To: All
Date Posted: 13:09:55 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: us_proxy_indy.xh1.lilly.com at 40.0.40.10
Message:
I donated - it's Girl by the way!
- SHABBA
Subject: Re: We TAKE 5-10-20-50-100 Anytin
From: Candid Opinion
To: All
Date Posted: 13:13:54 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ns.nucleusns2.com at 12.44.12.126
Message:
My Bad...
Totally sorry..
Cheers and God Bless you
Subject: Re: We TAKE 5-10-20-50-100 Anytin
From: alieu sesay
To: All
Date Posted: 10:44:51 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: 65.107.153.146.ptr.us.xo.net at 65.107.153.146
Message:
candido.. have been absent from the forum.. Anyways will be in freetown in two weeks... can i make my contribution in person?
If so how? Who will i make my contribution to?
Thanks BRO.
I am Alieu The Great.
Subject: Re: We TAKE 5-10-20-50-100 Anytin
From: Candid Opinion
To: All
Date Posted: 10:57:38 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ns.nucleusns2.com at 12.44.12.126
Message:
Alieu..
Thanks mate..
Please make the enquiry here..
http://forum.visitsierraleone.org/forum_posts.asp?TID=2314&FID=10&PR=3&PID=27537#27537
I believe you are not the only one with questions like these.
If you are not a member of the site..
Its only a minute to join.
Subject: Re: We TAKE 5-10-20-50-100 Anytin
From: alieu sesay
To: All
Date Posted: 11:34:23 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: 65.107.153.146.ptr.us.xo.net at 65.107.153.146
Message:
just signedup.. I do have a paypal account, but OH yah man forget the password...will call them and se if they can get me into my account.
Subject: Re: We TAKE 5-10-20-50-100 Anytin
From: BUFORD HWY
To: All
Date Posted: 12:40:12 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: adsl-074-228-219-218.sip.asm.bellsouth.net at 74.228.219.218
Message:
PAYPAL NO PAYPAL IF ME MONEY NOR REACH ME SICK BROTHER,AR SWEAR TO ME UNCLE EE BEAR BEAR ALIEU CUTAWAY SESAY GO GEE ME BACK ME MONEY,BECOS AR KNOW SAY ALIEU "CUTAWAY" SESAY GO TAKE WE MONEY FOR GO HELP EE SLPP LEADERSHIP CAMPAIGN.
Candido I know you slpp GUYS are quick to get your hands on someone's money,but please do not ALLOW ALIEU CUTAWAY close to PIKENBIZNESS money.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEEEEEE.
Subject: Re: We TAKE 5-10-20-50-100 Anytin
From: alieu sesay
To: All
Date Posted: 13:01:21 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: 65.107.153.146.ptr.us.xo.net at 65.107.153.146
Message:
Usai you bin hide?
Subject: Re: We TAKE 5-10-20-50-100 Anytin
From: BUFORD HWY
To: All
Date Posted: 14:42:07 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: c-71-204-124-192.hsd1.ga.comcast.net at 71.204.124.192
Message:
WAITMAN WOK ACROSS DE BORDER.I am about to board a flight back to the ATL.WE HOOK UP WITH YOU LATER.
Subject: Re: We TAKE 5-10-20-50-100 Anytin
From: Candid Opinion
To: All
Date Posted: 12:51:50 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ns.nucleusns2.com at 12.44.12.126
Message:
If you donated..
God bless you..
Insha allah leh allah double am gee you more.
Leh allahs hand always be in your back pocket.
If nah provoking..
Nor go outside when place dark en tendah crack..
Subject: Re: We TAKE 5-10-20-50-100 Anytin
From: BUFORD HWY
To: All
Date Posted: 15:00:29 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: c-71-204-124-192.hsd1.ga.comcast.net at 71.204.124.192
Message:
"Leh allahs hand always be in your back pocket."
I prefer my FRONT POCKET,because you,ALIEU CUTAWAY and your SLPP KABODOHS will be seen coming if you try to PICK my POCKET.
"Nor go outside when place dark en tendah crack.."
BRA IF U SWEAR ME HOW U WAN FOR LEH AR GEE ME DINERO?
ANYWAY AR NOR WAN DAY TIFF DUCKS EGG DEM,SO AR NOR DAE FRAID.EN BESIDE NAR DEVIL HOLE AR MEM.
Subject: Re: We TAKE 5-10-20-50-100 Anytin
From: Candid Opinion
To: All
Date Posted: 15:29:19 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ns.nucleusns2.com at 12.44.12.126
Message:
Humour my friend makes the world bearable..
Its a hard neighborhood, ironic we live in the milky way.
Me nor see no gravy.. so so pain en yanga..
Please pass some of that dinero to the ones who are less fortunate..
Cheers for your charity.
This money nor dey go tru HQ oh..no green fingers gwan touch it..
Subject: Re: We TAKE 5-10-20-50-100 Anytin
From: alieu sesay
To: All
Date Posted: 13:30:19 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: 65.107.153.146.ptr.us.xo.net at 65.107.153.146
Message:
Thanks for the good work BRO
Subject: Re: We TAKE 5-10-20-50-100 Anytin
From: Gonos
To: All
Date Posted: 10:25:07 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: Gonos@yahoo.com
Entered From: 79-65-105-98.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com at 79.65.105.98
Message:
What????? Lord have mercy.........We need amoured jackets for some of these postings.....the bullets are flying everywhere.
Subject: While we have donated close to $1000 on VSL forum.
From: Candid Opinion
To: All
Date Posted: 10:04:40 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ns.nucleusns2.com at 12.44.12.126
Message:
Meanwhile..
Co co rio and co..
With all its alagba's.
Potential leaders, book worms.. potential 3 foot arata's..2 foot leppets, Ernest im borbor dem.. Ekutay cabal, SLPP top guns, cyber muskyats, Sylvia wannabe's..
YOu name it..
Bing bing.. sabi book.. ah get PHD.. ah get money pass you.. Me brother na minister..ah get busniess nah salone, mortgage BROKER (en en en BANKER), Lawyers, ECONOMISTS, ETC ETC ETC..
All heard and seen here...
I had almost thought this place had a fine crop of men..
But woyang...
Clitoris talk, politics, PHDowners, are the topics of the day..
Charity.... ????????
Nah lie.. Some man allergic to tha concept..
Please DONATE
http://forum.visitsierraleone.org/forum_posts.asp?TID=2314&PID=27487#27487
http://forum.visitsierraleone.org/forum_posts.asp?TID=2314&FID=10&PR=3
Or i am pointing fingers at you with single posts.
ONE at a TIME.
Noto all tem we for be donor recipients..
Subject: ALL SO-CALLED ANTI-FGM ACTIVISTS ARE BIG HYPOCRITES!
From: Bai Bureh
To: All
Date Posted: 09:53:47 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: rastafari_ish@hotmail.com
Entered From: dator6071.161.gbgsd.se at 62.88.181.216
Message:
People are making so much noise about the disadvantages of FGM but hardly do they mention anything about the advantages.Is FGM so bad that nobody wants to even mention an iota of positivity about this 14-century-old practice? Is it that despicable, or heinous or barbaric as some people want us to believe? Please don't set my teeth on edge!
The hypocrisy about the whole thing is that our so-called civilised sisters had to wait only when they are in the western world to realize the negativity of the practise and that is after they themselves have massively benefited.The worst thing is that they are kissing up to the westerners who found the practise cruel and backward when they have their own skeletons in their cupboards but I will come to that later.The fact of the matter is money-making by some of our sisters who think the only way to make fast money is by selling out to the white man who is hell-bent on bringing down anything black or african.
I know about a lady in Denmark who made a meagre 10000 dollars in working so hard to expose the bondo secrets.She made a documentary and went as far as Magburaka and Freetown masquerading as someone who wants to help the 'soweis' and 'digbas' out.The people swallowed her bait hook,line,sinker and all especially after dishing some small amounts to the society bigwigs.What happened afterwards taught her a lesson she will never forget! She did not get all the money as was promised by his white colleagues and when the film was released her name was nowhere to be seen.She was expecting to win the oscar or Nobel prize but ended up being a sore loser who has made a lot of enemies.She made an empty threat of going to court but had no support.
Coming to the westerners who think everything black or african is bad and have launched the fiercest campaign against FGM, my wonder is their neglect or keeping under the wraps the ills of their rancid and depraved societies. Come on guys, do these people want the world to beleive that HOMOSEXUALITY is better than FGM? For argument's sake let us say it is their right to do whatever they want and that they are not answerable to anyone ás long as what they do does not encroach on another person's right.But the million-dollar question is:WHY DID GOD DESTROY SODOM AND GOMORRAH AND HAS NOT DESTROYED FGM-PRACTISING COUNTRIES? Can somebody help me out with an answer?
To all anti-FGM activists if you are not big hypocrites why don't you criticise or bedevil homosexuality? You can stand out at Times square or Hyde Park so that people can realise that homosexuality is not only barbaric but bestial too.Remember there are gays and lesbians in Salone too and please don't feed me with the crap that we have none in our country. what is good for the goose is good for the gander!
Now before anyone pounces on me I have a lukewarm opinion on FGM.My advice to all girls is if it feels good then go for it! After all people have undergone initiation for umpteen years with only negligible casualties which should remove all causes for concern.
Subject: Re: ALL SO-CALLED ANTI-FGM ACTIVISTS ARE BIG HYPOCRITES!
From: Mbalu
To: All
Date Posted: 13:13:10 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: eduproxy2.k12.de.us at 167.21.254.12
Message:
Bai Bureh,
You seem passionately anti-gay and you being a warrior, you have the necessary credentials to fight against it. A common saying goes like this "One man can not fight a dozen". I choose to campaign against FGM why can't you take up the fight against HOMOSEXUALITY. You can start at Times Square, the Mall in DC and then take it over to Hyde Park in London. All good venues with potentially heavy crowds as audience and good luck. Of course we have gays in S/L. You need to stop them too.
By the way, are you HOMOPHOBIC? Do somethiong about it. Tell the westerners that their culture stinks (I guess thats what you portrayed in your piece).
Subject: Re: ALL SO-CALLED ANTI-FGM ACTIVISTS ARE BIG HYPOCRITES!
From: Ttatalya.
To: All
Date Posted: 13:36:41 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 204.108.68.10
Message:
TRATOR your are the one who is BONDOPHOBIC AND CULTUREPHOBIC
YOU SORRY BAD BAD!!!
Subject: Re: ALL SO-CALLED ANTI-FGM ACTIVISTS ARE BIG HYPOCRITES!
From: Ttatalya.
To: All
Date Posted: 13:47:46 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 204.108.68.10
Message:
MBALU, ARE YOU A LESBIAN BY THE WAY? IT APPEARS AS IF YOU ARE A SISTER WHO IS TRYING TO COME OUT OF THE CLOSET BUT FINDING SOME JUSTIFICATION. IT WILL NOT BE A SUPRISE LATER TO HEAR THAT YOU ARE ONE BECAUSE OF PROBLEMS YOU ARE EXPERIENCING WITH MEN DUE FGM.
Subject: Re: ALL SO-CALLED ANTI-FGM ACTIVISTS ARE BIG HYPOCRITES!
From: Mbalu
To: All
Date Posted: 14:22:37 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: eduproxy2.k12.de.us at 167.21.254.12
Message:
Ttatalya,
Have a good weekend kid and remember to stay in school, don't be a fool.
Subject: Re: ALL SO-CALLED ANTI-FGM ACTIVISTS ARE BIG HYPOCRITES!
From: Ttatalya.
To: All
Date Posted: 15:01:25 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 204.108.68.10
Message:
MBALU I AM SERIOUS. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, ONECE AGAIN I AM ASKING YOU. ARE A LESBIAN???? ONE DAY, YOU WILL COME OUT OF THE CLOSET AND TELL US THAT YOU ARE ONE. WHY? YOUR REASON WILL BE; "WELL MEN ALWAYS DUMPED ME BECAUSE OF MY LACK OF SEXUAL PLEASURE DUE TO FGM.
WE NEED TO KNOW NOW PROFESSOR!!
Subject: Re: ALL SO-CALLED ANTI-FGM ACTIVISTS ARE BIG HYPOCRITES!
From: Boli
To: All
Date Posted: 10:21:29 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: Boli@yahoo.com
Entered From: 79-65-105-98.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com at 79.65.105.98
Message:
My friend FGM is outdated and barbaric. Why do people cry for the death penalty to be abolished? This has been a practice for centuries too. Why are we against public flogging? Do we still stay a husband should beat his wife because she has not put food on the table on time? These are practices of the past and should be treated as such. When I was at school we were told that 'the rod is made for the back of fools', does that make it right? As far as I know, most initiates of the Bundo Society are under age (as young as 5) and have no say in whether they are initiated or not.
Whatever your stance on Gays and Lesbianism, you will concede that it is sex between consenting adults. I am not aganist the Bundo society and what it stands for, but I am against the doctrine that you have to be harmed (by FGM) before you can become a member. I am a member of a secret society in Sierra Leone and it has given me an good and positive insight into the African culture. The people who are complaining about FGM are not only non-initiates but initiates themselves and I am sure you will agree with the phrase 'who feels it knows it'. I am against it but I leave it with the women to decide.
Subject: We TAKE 5-10-20-50-100 Anytin
From: Candid Opinion
To: All
Date Posted: 10:10:28 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ns.nucleusns2.com at 12.44.12.126
Message:
Please pull sara..Its FRIDAY
http://forum.visitsierraleone.org/forum_posts.asp?TID=2314&PID=27487#27487
http://forum.visitsierraleone.org/forum_posts.asp?TID=2314&FID=10&PR=3
Subject: Re: ALL SO-CALLED ANTI-FGM ACTIVISTS ARE BIG HYPOCRITES!
From: Sadam Insane
To: All
Date Posted: 10:10:26 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 209.116.81.187
Message:
I feel you Bra!
Subject: Sadam insane - Please pull sara..Its FRIDAY
From: Candid Opinion
To: All
Date Posted: 10:12:34 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ns.nucleusns2.com at 12.44.12.126
Message:
Please pull sara..Its FRIDAY, Leh god sorry for we all.
http://forum.visitsierraleone.org/forum_posts.asp?TID=2314&PID=27487#27487
http://forum.visitsierraleone.org/forum_posts.asp?TID=2314&FID=10&PR=3
Subject: Re: Sadam insane - Please pull sara..Its FRIDAY
From: Sadam Insane
To: All
Date Posted: 10:34:40 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: sorba_1@yahoo.com
Entered From: at 209.116.81.187
Message:
Awojubilia me na satan. Al ham do lilahe i feel hungry. Ara mani ara him to McDonald.
May God bless you all. Have a happy Friday. Mbalu I will see you in Freetown not in a bad way but curious to see how it will work out for you. You have a tough battle ahead of you.
Insame I am.
Subject: Re: Sadam insane - Please pull sara..Its FRIDAY
From: Mbalu
To: All
Date Posted: 13:17:57 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: eduproxy2.k12.de.us at 167.21.254.12
Message:
Thanks Sadam,
for the kind words. I guess you may not be insane after all. So are you pretending or what?
Ain't you suppose to spend your vacation in Iraq? What will you be doing in S/L. :)
Subject: Re: Sadam insane - Please pull sara..Its FRIDAY
From: Mbalu
To: All
Date Posted: 13:17:47 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: eduproxy2.k12.de.us at 167.21.254.12
Message:
Thanks Sadam,
for the kind words. I guess you may not be insane after all. So are you pretending or what?
Ain't you suppose to spend your vacation in Iraq? What will you be doing in S/L.
Subject: Re: Sadam insane - Please pull sara..Its FRIDAY
From: Sadam Insane
To: All
Date Posted: 14:49:26 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: sorba_1@yahoo.com
Entered From: at 209.116.81.187
Message:
Hay, I got killed in Iraq. This is my second coming so i choose Sierra leone. Just kidding. I am a Sierra Leonean and I am from the Southwestern part of Sierra leone.
On a serious note though, if you realy want to pursue that of your research, do it without this forum. Most of us are on this forum to get some of you angry for the topics you bring beside the usually politicing.I look forward in seing you and will be happy to assit you if need be.
I have to commend you for being so tough in the animalitic forum of ours. Keep the fight. We need more women like you in the sierra leone community. I say this with all due respect, I remain Insane or better yet Sadam
Subject: Haja Isha Rahman
From: Halida Rahman
To: All
Date Posted: 08:31:41 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: halidauk@yahoo.co.uk
Entered From: 5ac0a1cc.bb.sky.com at 90.192.161.204
Message:
Thank you so much to all that have taken their time to mourn with us in this sad time. Indeed our mother was an incredible woman that will be greatly missed by all of us.
Thank you for all your kind words....it means more than you can imagine.
Lots of Love
Halida
Subject: Luck Dube is Dead!!!
From: Lucky Dube
To: All
Date Posted: 06:18:19 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: f298781.ga.unc.edu at 152.4.31.217
Message:
S African reggae star shot dead
During his career Lucky Dube released 22 albums
The South African reggae musician, Lucky Dube, has been shot dead in front of his children in Johannesburg during an attempted car hijacking.
He had been dropping his teenage son and daughter off in the suburb of Rosettenville on Thursday evening.
Police say they were already out of the car when three shots were fired through a car window killing their father.
One of South Africa's most popular artists, Lucky Dube toured the world singing about social problems.
The BBC's Mpho Lakaje in Johannesburg says the murder reflects the high crime rate in South Africa.
Legend
Our correspondent, at the crash site on Thursday night, said Mr Dube's silver-grey Chrysler was surrounded by a group of investigating officers.
He noticed bloodstains on the seats and shattered windows.
Police said after the shots were fired, the car rolled a few metres down the road and crashed into a tree.
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He will be missed as a great musician and for his love for the children and the suffering people in Africa
Abitekaniza Denis, Kampala, Uganda
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"He was declared dead on the scene," Police inspector Lorrain Van Immareck told the BBC.
She said it was suspected that three people were responsible for the attack.
Earlier this year, Lucky Dube told the BBC how he came by his name.
"When I was born I was sick so they thought I was going to die so they didn't give me a name till I was six months or so... They waited for me to die, but when I didn't die they said, 'Wow, he's a very lucky boy!' So they called me Lucky," he said.
He began his career by singing mbaqanga (traditional Zulu) music and recorded his first album with the Super Soul band in 1982.
He later moved into reggae, producing Rastas Never Die and Think About The Children in 1984.
His albums Slave, Prisoner and Together As One saw him gain first national, and then global, recognition.
Three years ago his 1989 anti-apartheid hit Together as One, which calls for world peace and harmony, was voted one of Africa's top 10 songs by BBC readers and listeners.
Lucky Dube released his most recent album, Respect, in April.
Culled from BBC
Subject: FOR SADAM INSANE
From: MRS INSANE
To: All
Date Posted: 06:01:54 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ool-4576842a.dyn.optonline.net at 69.118.132.42
Message:
WHY IS SADAM INSANE FIGHTING SO HARD IN FAVOR OF THE BUNDO BUSH? I HAVE THE ANSWER.
1. HIS PENIS IS VERY VERY SMALL, BECAUSE HE IS FAT WITH A BIG STOMACH AND WHEN HE CANNOT PLEASE ME HE BLAMES IT ON MY NONEXSISTING CLITORIS.
2. HE DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO PLEASE A WOMAN, SO HE PREFER WOMEN WHO HAVE NO CLITORIS AND CANNOT FEEL ANYTHING.
THIS ASSUMPTION IS COMING FROM HIS WIFE AND I AM READY TO POST HIS PICTURE AND HIS NAME. SO INSANE BE WARN
Subject: Re: FOR SADAM INSANE
From: Sadam Insane
To: All
Date Posted: 08:10:01 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: sorba_1@yahoo.com
Entered From: at 209.116.81.187
Message:
All you can do is loan me your wife if you have one is see if she will return back to you. I rest my case and I remain Insane.
Subject: Is Kallon a qualified coach?
From: news
To: All
Date Posted: 05:20:40 10/19/07 ()
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I know that my question will open the flood gate for attack against my being. But, I care less. It is not in the interest of football fans to see that their favourite sport is being usurped. Kallon has no business in training Leone Stars. He must show his footballing skills. I know that in Sierra Leone, everything can be done by anyone to gain attention. Even, Saidu Bangura joined Leone Stars contingent to South Africa. But, this is a new dawn and it will be unprofessional to hire any coach or encourage Sierra Leonean footballers to stamp their authority over qualified individual.
First and foremost. Leone Stars in order to be tactically competitive, needs to hire a professional coach. The team does not need any mediocre coach that has no Coaching certificate. We should not allow our emotions or love for an individual player to confine Sierra Leone at the bottom of footballing ranking.
Please, read below what will trigger the decline of Sierra Leonean football, if styeps are not taken to curtail the influenceof individal players.
Peters denies Sierra Leone job
By Mohamed Fajah Barrie
BBC Sport, Freetown
Nigerian coach James Peters has denied having talks with the SLFA
Nigerian coach James Peters has denied being appointed as the caretaker coach of the Sierra Leone's national football team.
This comes despite the Sierra Leone Football Association (SLFA) announcing that Peters would take charge of the Leone Stars as coach.
Peters had been expected by the SLFA to oversee the side's two 2010 World Cup preliminary round matches against Guinea Bissau.
However, the 55-year-old Nigerian did not lead the team out in their 1-0 win over in the first-leg game.
Peters told BBC Sport such permanent coaching arrangements were never discussed between the two parties.
'Surprise'
"I do not consider myself coach of Leone Stars because nobody from the SLFA has discussed that with me," said Peters.
"There is no paper to prove I am the coach.
"Surprisingly I heard it on the radio that I had been appointed and I think they were just deceiving the public.
"I was sent to Sierra Leone by the West African Football Union (Wafu) President-elect Dr Amos Adamu to come and give technical assistance for the Leone Stars last two matches against Benin and Bissau respectively.
"So the question of employing me as coach should not have arisen."
'Kallon'
Peters also claimed that he was not given the chance to give out technical assistance to the team as was agreed by Dr. Adamu and the SLFA.
"I was not on the bench for Bissau match because I was not given the chance to help in training the team before the match.
"I went to help train the team but I was not allowed to as I was told that Mohamed Kallon was training the team as coach instead.
"It was unprofessional and I made it clear to the SLFA that I can not be contesting for the coaching job with Kallon."
But Bah has reiterated that he agreed with Peters that he should take up the job.
"I would not be so irresponsible to go public and announce the appointment of Peters and Kanu (without it being true).
"I discussed the issue with him, together with his assistant Ahmed Kanu, and both of them agreed."
Peters is due to return home to Nigeria on 25 October.
Subject: To Sengbe et SLPP:Portrait of a State Run Amok.
From: Oumar Farouk Sesay
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Date Posted: 05:19:55 10/19/07 ()
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The APC is inheriting a largely dysfunctional state, disjointed and disconnected like hacked limbs. What held the state together during the tenure of the SLPP were personal connections to the presidency and not institutional relationships amongst the different state agencies. But the presidency was itself dysfunctional. The ex-president believed he was in the departing lounge of his life and presidency and he would rather amuse himself than get involved in the hard task of governance. The vice presidency was transformed into one big campaign trail that gave a blind eye to the corrupt and inept as long as they paid campaign dues. The state became one messy macabre portrait of deliberate deformation to create patrimonial connections and rent seeking.
The rot runs through all institution like a rogue gene contaminating everyone and every thing; department designed to regulate were left languishing without resources to perform their regulatory functions. The ministry of works was, for example, supposed to regulate the Sierra Leone Roads Authority. But it was so lacking in financial resources and technical capacity that most times the pyramid of authority was inverted –the SLRA led and Works followed. The same dysfunctional theme was evidenced at the Ministry of Energy and Power. It lacked both energy and power to regulate the National Power Authority. Result: the NPA had a blank cheque to perpetuate ineptness.
The disconnect between the Finance ministry and other government departments was manifested in the near absence of adequate disbursement of budgetary allocat1ons to various ministries to enable them carry state functions. In most cases over 50% of budgeted funds failed to get to the beneficiaries .The funds either got lost in the accounting quagmire of pegging expenditure on anticipated revenue or simply missing in action in the vast battle field of rent seeking. Either way the state was left starved of much needed funds - reducing the process of annual budgetary appropriation to a symbolic ritual of governance that lacked substance.
Internal Affairs Ministry was supposed to regulate the police, prisons, immigration, fire force etc. But officers of Internal Affairs need clearance from the prison director to visit the prison under their purview. Immigration became a one-woman show and all they did at immigration was issuing and renewing passports. All other immigration functions like manning border crossings and enforcing compliance with immigration laws were left to atrophy. The fire force was incommunicado with the Guma Valley Water Company because the former killed the manager of the latter over some pale of water. They are in court. Meanwhile no water for the fire force in all hydrants except one.
A failed state emerging from the abyss of war with weak institutions usurped by individuals whose political connections gave them immunity to plunder - and then launder in the washing machines of an arrogant political campaign. As most state organs became dysfunctional commissions were created to set things aright. Many of these commissions became like rogue and cancerous genes mutating the purposes of their creation; popping up hydra heads that cannibalized the body-politic; squirrels running riot in the groundnut fields of the state. What has the National Commission for War Affected Children been doing? Or the National Commission for Democracy? What standards has the Standards Bureau been implementing? Or the Telecommunication Commission; what has been happening there that has been promoting telecommunication in the country?
The many commissions were set up by the out going Government with lofty ideals remain as lofty ideals with no practical reality either because of funds or absence of guts and technical expertise to carry through?. The National Privatization Commission is the vanguard of inept commissions; it is yet to revitalize a single parastatal. Of the many options available to the commission -marketization; restructuring, joint state-private sector ownership; management contract etc - etc they chose to micro manage the twenty plus companies under their remit - reinventing patrimonial connections; ensuring that nothing works under their mandate. They held the leash tied to the necks of over twenty institutions that could otherwise transformed the economy of the country but for an inept commission on oath to decommission effort.
Oversights institutions are leftovers without sights. The Anti-corruption commission has been anti-itself since the going away of the expatriate assistant and the sacking of its first commissioner. The Audit Service did a good job and laid its report before parliament in 2004. Parliament killed it and the report now sits somewhere keeping the company of cockroaches. The Office of Ombudsman was being run from private chambers,
Of course, certain institutions were working; but these are mainly as a result of the Project Implementation Units that were heavily micro-managed by international institutions. The Institutional Reform and Capacity Building Project that housed the decentralization secretariat have task managers for different component somewhere in Washington.
The same was also true for the numerous other things of state that appear to be working. The police was micro-managed by an expatriate Inspector General and a Commonwealth Community safety and Security Project for quite some time. Great. many reforms were instituted and the police leadership was up to a time up to the task of entrenching the reforms. But this was no longer the case in the latter part of the Kabbah presidency. The Police were undoing the reforms and returning to the bad old days. Reasons: police corruption and lack of funding and commitment to policing ideals by a vice presidency which primary interests were not professional police matters. The military was largely prevented from messing up because of the presence of the International Military Assistance and Training Team.
The civil service was left to continue to slide down the path of the uncivil. Regular civil servants were left to their own devices. When serious things needed to be done project implementation units were created to do them. This created scrambled reporting and accountability lines that brought about rancor and detracted from the abilities of the implementation units to meet their objectives. Efforts at functional and structural reforms of the civil service were thwarted by reactionary forces within the political leadership and civil service. A greedy presidency hacked units off many ministries and attached them to a presidency that lacked the staff capacity to design programs and provide effective and efficient oversight. The praise singing staff at the presidency grabbed more than they could chew and vomited dysfunctionality all over the place.
This dysfunctionality weighed far more heavily on ordinary people. But it was a dysfunctionality that was functional to the governing group. That was why they thought they were doing well, and with arrogance and lack of public shame wanted the people to continue to support them. But the people knew better. They wanted a system that is functional for the people. Building this system starts with reining in the amok state and placing it at the service of the ordinary person.
Subject: Re: To Sengbe et SLPP:Portrait of a State Run Amok.
From: Sengbe
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Date Posted: 10:22:59 10/19/07 ()
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I would like to take this opportunity to thank you, Mr.Oumar Farouk Sesay for the posting of this article.
Mr. O.F. Sesay, would you please state the source of the contents of this article?
Is it part of the report submitted to President Koroma by the transition team headed by VP Sam Sumana?
Did you, Mr. Sesay write this report based on your own personal investigations?
It is very important that the source of the contents of your posting be disclosed in order to respond to it appropriately.
Please grant us this wish.
This is indeed a very sad indictment on the collective mentality of ALL Sa Lonians, not just the SLPP as the outgone governing body in that country - the so-called Salone mentality toward work and professional obligations / responsibilities, in general.
Subject: Re: To Sengbe et SLPP:Portrait of a State Run Amok.
From: KKW
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Date Posted: 09:12:01 10/19/07 ()
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Excellent descr1ption of the status quo, but I would venture to say that this sad state of affairs is not entirely the fault of the SLPP. We look to the new administration to start working on turning things around.
Subject: Re: To Sengbe et SLPP:Portrait of a State Run Amok.
From: Tamba Moiwo
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Date Posted: 08:54:26 10/19/07 ()
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Rubbish and more Rubbish from an APC apologist:
"The APC is inheriting a largely dysfunctional state, disjointed and disconnected like hacked limbs". Total bullocks.
"Building this system starts with reining in the amok state and placing it at the service of the ordinary person."
Do you mean to say Salone must be a Temne Hegemony then????
Subject: Re: To Sengbe et SLPP:Portrait of a State Run Amok.
From: Fen Plaba!
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Date Posted: 12:43:38 10/19/07 ()
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"Do you mean to say Salone must be a Temne Hegemony then????"----Tamba Moiwo.
Tamba, what is the justification for this incendiary charge? I checked Mr. Sesay's article and couldn't see any reason for this charge.
Subject: Re: To Sengbe et SLPP:Portrait of a State Run Amok.
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Date Posted: 05:35:28 10/19/07 ()
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you really must be joking, have you forgotten SLPP inherit a bankrupt and war-thorn country from APC or probably it is just selective memory
Subject: Re: To Sengbe et SLPP:Portrait of a State Run Amok.
From: FAD
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Date Posted: 12:12:29 10/19/07 ()
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SP, SORRY TO TELL YOU OR TO REMIND YOU THAT THE SLPP NEVER INHERITED GOVERNMENT FROM THE APC.
THEY USED THE ARMY BOYS (BRIG. LANSANA & HINGA NORMAN) TO OVERTHROW APC IN 1967
THEY INHERITED GOVERNMENT FROM THE "MAADA BIO" NPRC AFTER THE "JAMES JONAH" RIGGED ELECTIONS OF FEBRUARY 1996, AND CONTINUED IN POWER FOLLOWING THE "WALTER NICOL" RIGGED ELECTIONS OF 2002; BUT FAILED TO CONTINUE IN POWER AS DR. CHRISTIANA THORPE REFUSED THEM THE OPPORTUNITY OF DUBIOUSLY HOLDING ON TO POWER IN 2007....
AR SURE SAY YOU DON UNDERSTAND ME NOW. NOR LIE PAN WE YAR... WE NOR FORGET YET.
Subject: LUCKY DUBE - Bambay Lans Kamara
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Bambay,
Please kindly post us a fitting video in tribute to a great African reggae star Lucky Dube. 'Remember me' would be a nice one to post. Thanks and God bless.
Subject: Re: LUCKY DUBE - Bambay Lans Kamara
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Date Posted: 04:25:54 10/19/07 ()
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Bambs - your request. Now the legend leaves on. Pride goeth before a fall!
Subject: Lucky Dube is dead! Killed ny robbers
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Date Posted: 02:22:11 10/19/07 ()
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Last Updated: Friday, 19 October 2007, 04:29 GMT 05:29 UK
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S African reggae star shot dead
Lucky Dube's most recent album, Respect, was released in April
The South African reggae musician, Lucky Dube, has been shot dead in the commercial capital, Johannesburg.
A police spokeswoman said the artist was dropping his son off in the suburb of Rosettenville on Thursday evening when he was attacked by armed robbers.
His son was already out of the car when he saw what happened, and then ran for help, Capt Cheryl Engelbrecht added.
One of South Africa's most popular artists, Lucky Dube toured the world singing about social problems.
Lucky Dube began his career by singing mbaqanga (traditional Zulu) music and recorded his first album with the Super Soul band in 1982.
He later moved into reggae, producing Rastas Never Die and Think About The Children in 1984. His albums, Slave, Prisoner and Together As One saw him gain first national and then global recognition.
Lucky Dube released his 21st and most recent album, Respect, in April.
Subject: Re: Lucky Dube is dead! Killed ny robbers
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Date Posted: 04:23:33 10/19/07 ()
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7052050.stm
Subject: Re: Lucky Dube is dead! Killed ny robbers
From: Chez Winakabs Europe
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Date Posted: 03:32:36 10/19/07 ()
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May his soul rest in peace. He is going to be a bigger star now thanwhen he was alive. Lucky Dube created too many enemies. May will all learn from this!! People like him should not be targetted by robbers. Africa clean your acts - STOP THE KILLING OF YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS!
Subject: Re: Lucky Dube is dead! Killed ny robbers
From: Cornelius Hamelberg
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Date Posted: 08:26:13 10/19/07 ()
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Nobody needs an enemy
Subject: WHO DETERMINES??
From: CULTURE CULTURE
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Date Posted: 01:09:20 10/19/07 ()
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CULTURE.
1. AFRICAN CULTURE
2. WESTERN CULTURE
3. ASIAN CULTURE
4. RELIGIOUS CULTURE (DIFFERENT RELIGIONS FOR THAT MATTER)
5. TRIBAL CULTURE
6. REGIONAL CULTURE
WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT CULTURES, CAN WE ALL GET ALONG? CAN WE STOP PUTTING DOWN OTHER PEOPLES CULTURE?
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY THERE ARE SO MANY PROBLEMS ON EARTH TODAY. WHO IS WHO TO DECIDE WHAT IS GOOD AND WHAT IS NOT GOOD. WHY CONDEMN OTHERS CULTURE AND TRY TO FORCE YOURS ON THEM?
UNLESS AND UNTIL WE CAN STOP DEMONIZING OTHERS CULTURE AND WAY OF LIFE AND RESPECT EACH OTHERS CULTURE, THERE WILL NOT BE PEACE ON EARTH.
Subject: Re: WHO DETERMINES??
From: Toegondoe Sagbah
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Date Posted: 08:25:32 10/19/07 ()
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AMEN!!! Culture Culture. You hit the nail on the head.
Subject: Re: WHO DETERMINES??
From: Chez Winakabs Europe
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Date Posted: 05:23:52 10/19/07 ()
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Si vis pacem, para bellum - if you want peace prepare for war. You cannot have peace if one culture does not possess strong and overwhelmingly superior armament. We are told that readiness to fight dissuades attacks that weakness could invite, thus keeping the peace. Strong cultures have to emerge to contain and persuade the weak to yield to the strong without a fight. in a world game like this, the strong cultures should learn to compliment the weaker cultures through a process I call, explorative reasoning.
Friend, we need the energy nof each other to survive therefore an impossible task for other cultures to leave others alone.
Subject: Re: WHO DETERMINES??
From: Toegondoe Sagbah
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Date Posted: 08:46:55 10/19/07 ()
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Your statement and logic are flawed. Have you ever heard in politics of "Balance of Power" and the effect of "mutual deterrence"? Deterence is maintained when opposing forces have equal power and force, such that they come to understand that it will not be in anyone's interest to go to war with each other because it will only lead to MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction).
This was a theory and concept of the Cold War when peace prevailed in the world despite the existence of dangerous nuclear weapons.
Do you know why Hitler started World War II? Bcause they thought they were more powerful than the rest of the world put together.
Do you know why the Japanese first attacked Pearl Harbor? Because they thought they were more powerful than the US, they didn't realise the US was a sleeping giant.
Do you know why the US dropped the nuclear bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Because they knew Japan didn't have one to retaliate with, so they felt more powerful than Japan.
Do you know why Dictators intimidate, harrass and kill opponents? Because they are the POWER.
Basically, all these are examples of the fact that peace is endangered when there is an imbalance of power in any environment. Hence, people invest more into peace when they know there cannot be a winner.
Subject: Re: WHO DETERMINES??
From: Ose broke!
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Date Posted: 07:57:36 10/19/07 ()
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Culturee is a norm that requires discipline and in the event when it embraces evil tendencies, all steps need to be taken relinquish it.
We inherited traditions that do not strech our imaginations to be susceptible enough to adhere. However, history has shown how traditions have made life miserable for those who hold on to certain cultural norms.
In the case, of Sierra Leone, we have seen how politicians and their supporters have managed to plant trabilism, hate and fear unto those who sharply refused to practice and be part of a culture that creates unfliendliness, vengeance, dishonesty and lies.
If culture is to be meaningful, its adherents must conform to emerging changes that seek to uuphold human rights, freedom, and tolerance .
Subject: Re: WHO DETERMINES??
From: Toegondoe Sagbah
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Date Posted: 09:51:14 10/19/07 ()
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There is a difference between culture and tradition. There is a difference between behavior and moraise. There is a difference between intrinsic culture and acquired culture (acculturation).
"Unfriendliness, vengeance, dishonesty and lies" are not culture or moraise, they are "behavior". A culture is a way of life that is rooted in traditional belief. Anybody can be a liar in any group or society anywhere in the world. But Temne or Mende culture are found only amongst the Temnes and Mendes, for example.
"Emerging changes" have to be "acceptable" but not "forced". It has to be "convincing" but not "imposing", simply because there is no guarantee that the "change" is in the best interest of those being made to change, or if the people will adapt to the change at all. Just because its a "change" does not make it good. Homosexaulity is a "change", do you think the general mass of people will ever adapt to it?
Being from the old school of life, I find too many "changes" in our children of today that I dislike because the impact of many of those "changes" on the younger generation is not positive.
For example, all my life in America I have never seen such an implosion of elementary and secondary school kids going about shooting and killing in schools. I can attribute the action to many modern "changes" in the lives of our children:
1. Glorified Violence on TV and in Movies
2. The widespread availability of guns
3. The too much liberal laws allowing killers to go free. For example, such killings are not in Saudi Arabia because of the Sharia laws that haven't "changed" in centuries.
4. Children now having more rights than their parents, hence no regard for parental rights.
5. Children being taught sex education and being given condoms, yet society does not expect them to engage in premarital or premature sex and have unwanted pregnancies...really?
5. Too much DIVORCE, Why? You tell me...
Changes have to be good, acceptable, worthy and in the best interest of the people. When you force people to change, you create problems such as we are doing in Iraq. Saddam was "bad compared to our own ways". But is our own ways good for the Iraqis? He won 98% of his people's votes in the last election before the invasion and this forceful "change" was brought upon them. Did we ever ask the Iraqis whether they prefered Saddam to our own brand of Democracy? NO!!! We invaded and tried to force our own way and culture on them to make a "change". Has it worked? Will it ever work? I DOUBT IT.
Subject: Re: WHO DETERMINES??
From: Ose broke
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Date Posted: 08:58:17 10/19/07 ()
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Correction!
I want to say,"all steps need to be taken to relinquish it".
Subject: Re: WHO DETERMINES??
From: Ose broke
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Date Posted: 08:57:59 10/19/07 ()
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Correction!
I want to say,"all steps neet to be taken to relinquish it".
Subject: Komba Kambo released
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Date Posted: 00:06:19 10/19/07 ()
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Samuel Komba Kambo is interviewed at an Immigration and Customs Enforcement contract facility in San Antonio Friday, October 12, 2007, where he is being detained by U.S. Immigration authorities. Kambo remains in custody despite being cleared of accusations by U.S. Immigration officials of participating in atrocities in his native Sierra Leone where he was part of a group that overthrew a corrupt dictatorial regime. (AP Photo/Gloria Ferniz)
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Federal Judge Orders Detainee Released
By MICHELLE ROBERTS – 1 hour ago
SAN ANTONIO (AP) — A judge ordered authorities Thursday to release an immigrant from Sierra Leone who has been jailed for nearly a year while fighting accusations of involvement in the killing of counter-revolutionaries, charges another judge ruled were unfounded.
U.S. District Judge Xavier Rodriguez ordered immigration officials to allow Samuel Komba Kambo, a former energy minister in his west African country, to post bond while they appeal an immigration judge's ruling. He was released from federal custody in San Antonio and reunited with his family.
"I feel great. It's like a dream," said Kambo, who was embraced by his wife and four children as he left a downtown lockup. "I just want to be with my family for now."
Noncitizens like Kambo, who has been living in Texas on valid visas for 14 years, are subject to broad discretion by the Justice Department under post-Sept. 11 detention laws. They can be jailed during a prolonged appeals process that typically keeps cases in immigration court and the Board of Immigration Appeals for years before they can reach the federal court system.
Congress and some previous court rulings have chipped away at federal judges' power to intervene before immigration court appeals are exhausted, but Rodriguez said Thursday that he found "a sliver of jurisdiction given the facts of the case" to grant Kambo's request to post bond.
"The government has not demonstrated a reasonable justification for the continued detention," Rodriguez wrote in a 41-page order issued late Thursday. "Accordingly, the court finds that Kambo's continued detention under these circumstances violates his right to substantive due process under the Fifth Amendment."
Rodriguez ordered Kambo be allowed to post the $12,500 bond set by an immigration judge months ago. His relatives posted bond and filled out the paperwork.
"I feel like the world's load has been lifted off my head," said Hanaan Kambo, his wife, who has been raising their four children alone for the past year. "It's a wonderful day."
The government sought to deport Kambo, a fuels analyst for a central Texas utility, after the U.S. State Department accused him of being involved in the summary executions of 29 counter-revolutionaries in his home country.
Kambo, who was part of a government that took power in a bloodless coup in 1992, has denied any involvement in the killings, and an immigration judge ruled there was no credible evidence that Kambo had any role in creating or orchestrating the suppression of counter-revolutionaries.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Gary Anderson said Thursday that federal authorities still believe the immigration judge's finding in Kambo's case was wrong.
They have appealed to the Board of Immigration Appeals, which could revoke Kambo's bond and overturn the immigration judge's ruling that Kambo should receive permanent U.S. residency.
Kambo, who has a master's of business administration from the University of Texas and lives in Austin with his family, was taken into custody in October 2006 during what he thought was a routine green card interview. Despite rulings from an immigration judge that the government lacked evidence he participated in the killings and that he should be released, Kambo remained in lockup while ICE appealed.
In an interview with The Associated Press last week, he said the prolonged incarceration had forced his family to use up their savings and give up their health insurance as they struggled to pay their mortgage.
Kambo could have been released without Rodriguez's order if he voluntarily agreed to leave the United States, but he and his wife have four U.S.-born children, ages 4 to 13, and they decided to fight to ensure their children could be educated here.
Hanaan Kambo said the judge's order releasing her husband was almost surreal after nearly a year of disappointed hopes.
"Finally, we got it," she said, raising her palms in the courtroom. "Thank God, justice has been served."
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Subject: Re: Komba Kambo released
From: Candy
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Date Posted: 08:48:19 10/19/07 ()
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Thanks to God. I am happy for him. Whatever our feelings towards the NPRC regime, he was not the only one there.
See pictures of his release
Subject: Re: Komba Kambo released
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Date Posted: 07:15:11 10/19/07 ()
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Date Posted: 23:30:48 10/18/07 ()
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Subject: So true.
From: Bambay Lans Kamara
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Date Posted: 23:23:54 10/18/07 ()
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Isn't that true!
Subject: Sierra Leonean scientist honoured in Nigeria
From: Taye Babaleye,
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Date Posted: 22:48:55 10/18/07 ()
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Sierra Leonean scientist honoured in Nigeria
An agronomist with the International Institute of Tropical Agriculture (IITA), Dr. Alpha Kamara has been honored by the Emir of Biu, Borno State, for introducing series of improved technologies that ensure food security and alleviate poverty in four Local Government Areas (LGAs) of the State. Dr Kamara, a Sierra Leonean, was honored during a recently held farmers’ field day at Wandali village in Kwaya-Kusa LGA.
The Emir of Biu, Alhaji Umar Aliu Mustapha who conferred the title of Sarkin Yada Iri (Chief Seed Producer) on Alpha Kamara(photo, right) said the gesture was in appreciation of Dr Kamara’s assiduous efforts in introducing improved agricultural technologies to farmers in his Emirate under the project, Promoting Sustainable Agriculture in Borno State (PROSAB), funded by the Canadian International Development Agency (CIDA), and implemented by IITA. Dr. Kamara also received a work bull from the Chairman of Damboa Local Government in the Borno Emirate.
“Since PROSAB came to Borno State four years ago, our people have become major producers of maize, soybean, cowpea, sorghum, rice, and groundnuts. Their crop yields have improved through the use of improved crop varieties and improved crop management practices. The parasitic weed Striga which destroys maize and sorghum fields and made farmers abandon their fields is being wiped out in the farming communities through the use of improved technologies introduced by the project,” says the Emir.
In his response, Dr. Kamara said he valued the honor so much because it came from a traditional ruler and farmers, as a sign of appreciation. He thanked his colleagues from IITA who developed the technologies being extended to the farmers.
Ms Valerie Bilodeau, the CIDA Representative, said agricultural development could only be possible when there was cooperation among key players in the sector: the government, the private sector, and farmers alike. She expressed satisfaction at the level of improvement in agricultural practices in Borno State; adding, “We are delighted to support PROSAB which has succeeded in bringing female farmers into the mainstream of rural development,” She remarked that she would go back to Canada with good memories of what she had seen during the field tour of soybean farms in nearby villages.
Earlier, the State Commissioner for Women Affairs, Hajiya Maryam Bukar Petrol called on CIDA and other donors to intensify efforts to support rural farmers in the State through adequate funding of research institutes for more dedication, to face the challenges of food production in the State. She added that extreme weather conditions, poor soils, poor management techniques, and lack of storage facilities were some of the problems facing farmers in the State.
PROSAB has contributed to the turning around of the fortunes of thousands of farmers in the four LGAs of Biu, Damboa, Hawul and Kwaya-Kusa. This year’s farmers’ field day was attended by more than one thousand male and female farmers.
Subject: Re: Sierra Leonean scientist honoured in Nigeria
From: FAD
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Date Posted: 11:26:12 10/19/07 ()
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THIS SHOWS THAT SIERRA LEONEANS CAN PERFORM WHEN GIVEN THE RESOURCES AND EXPOSED TO THE APPROPRIATE ENVIRONMENT
Subject: "I am still a gay and Insane".
From: ON THE RAMPAGE
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Date Posted: 22:40:36 10/18/07 ()
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Subject: Quote of the Day
From: Salone Blondy
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Date Posted: 21:38:52 10/18/07 ()
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"The Road to hell is paved with good intentions."
--Mo Ibrahim, Founder of Celtel, on why even good African Leaders should not stay in power indefinitely.
Subject: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: Toegondoe Sagbah
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Date Posted: 21:32:23 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: mendemoi@yahoo.com
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Why would MALE circumcision be called "Circumcision" while FEMALE circumcision is called "Mutilation"?
Why would FGC (Female Genital Circumcision), be any worse than FGP (Female Genital Piercing with rings hanging on them)?
These semantics are not only due to cultural biases but it is an outright attempt at the continued campaign to destroy non western cultures around the world.
Western culture has always strived to be the dominant culture in the world by destroying all other human cultures. This is so that they won't have to loose or succumb to other stronger, more robust, much older, richer and more respectable human cultures.
AND THEY ALWAYS KNOW HOW TO RECRUIT AGENTS FROM WITHIN THE TARGET CULTURES TO HELP THEM DESTROY THEIR OWN VERY CULTURES SO THAT FINGERS WILL NOT BE POINTED AT WESTERNERS.
As if we have all shed and done away with our African-ness. As if some of the languages that have been used here can be used on western public TV or Radio. As if everyone here want to change the culture they grew up with. As if everyone want to be listening to these raw languages now being used by these acculturated propagators (now I am included). As if people on this forum are really the ones who matter in eradicating FGC
I AM AN AFRICAN MAN FROM A COUNTRY AND TRIBE THAT PRACTICES FGC (Female Genital Circumcision), AS A MATTER OF CULTURE, AND I RESPECT THAT.
IF THE PEOPLE PROPAGATING THESE WESTERN-ACCULTURATED MENTALITIES REALLY WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, LET THEM GO TO THOSE SOCIETIES AND EXPLAIN TO THE PEOPLE WHAT IS WRONG WITH FGC NAD WHAT IS SO GOOD ABOUT NON FGC.
For now, I want the person on this forum who is so gongho on FGC (Mbalu), to tell me the difference between FGC and FGP. FPG are those Night Club dancing women, often in Go-go Bars, who pierce their private parts for purposes of show, dancing and earning money. They often have rings hanging on them in their performances. Mbalu please tell me what is good about that versus FGC.
I can bet that if the westerners pushing to destroy other people's cultures were to say tomorrow that FGC is GOOD, we will witness these acculturated westernized sycophants instantly change their minds in celebration of the newly contrived virtues of their westerners instigators.
I have tried not to enter this debate, but it seems to be going on too long already. This will be the last time I will be making comments about it. But for God's sake, allow other people to practice the culture they are proud of and have not complained about:
1. God has not yet come down to earth and declared to all humans that FGC is bad for women.
2. FGC and FGP affect the same private parts. But FGP is carried on continually as a money making venture and less care for the preservation of the integrity of one's own body.
3. The people who practice FGC have not engaged in massive campaigns to denounce their own culture why should someone who doesn't even understand the culture.
4. Some detractors point to the very rare instances of unfortunate incidents from the application of FGC to be the reason why FGC is bad. If so, then we should all say that Doctors and modern medicine is bad because there are too many malpractices taking place in nearly all medical institutions.
5. As stated above, it is publicly known that many western night club women dancers do pierce their own private parts (Clits and Labia Majoras), and hang ear rings on them for show, display and money earning ventures. Which one has a better purpose in life, the one for cultural practice (FGC) or the one for making money (FGP). That is clearly one of the peripheral attributes of prostitution (selling one's body for money)
(a). Has any of these western Femi-Nanzis (to borrow from radio Talk Show Host Rush Limbaugh), raised any alarms about that in their own countries? What does Mbalu say about FGP?
(b) How much better is one practice (FGC)from the other (FGP)?
(b) Have they even tried to find out if the FGP women endure perpetual pains from the weight of the rings?
(c). Have they even tried to compare the effect upon the human psychie between FGC people and FGP people? I bet NOT!!! They prefer to push their own evil doings under the rug and publicly point at other people's actions.
3. For all I know it is the radical Femi-Nazis, who are going around and collecting NGO moneys from their various governments and institutions in order to create employment for themselves at the expense of these innocent rich cultures. Let's look at som eof the vantages:
1. HIV/AIDS researchers have now determined that AIDS spreads much more easily in UNCIRCUMCISED than in circumcised men.
2. Non FGC women have been determined to be more promiscuous than FGC women, hence more subjective to carrying Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs).
3. Studies have shown differences in the maintenance of body hygiene....and MORE!
I hope this sheds light on this topic once and for all and let's discuss something else.
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: KING LOGGY
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Date Posted: 23:51:29 10/18/07 ()
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Bra Toe:
Set aside the culture war for a second and imagine how demoralizing the rationale for FGM is.
WHY REMOVE THE CLIT OF A WOMAN TO REDUCE SEXUAL URGES WHEN YOU CAN EDUCATE THEM? WHY?
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: KLA
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Date Posted: 13:26:53 10/19/07 ()
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KL,
please support the growing numbers of folks working towards the health and welfare of individuals not happy with the effects of the extreme form of SORORITY
HAZING called FGM.
This is a human rights issue of great importance.
Great progress in being made in other African Nations
like ETHIOPIA. Hope Salone follows suite.
tstm
xx
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: Toegondoe Sagbah
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Date Posted: 00:05:19 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: mendemoi@yahoo.com
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No, Please understand my point. I am not justifying the act. I am simply saying two things:
1. If the people who engage in that culture are not against it, then leave them alone. You will be depriving them of a culture wetsreners don't understand.
2. Don't condemn someone else culture when, in fact, a similar act is happening under your nose but you chose to overlook it.
Finally, let me also ask you. Do you think men should be circumcircised? Why? Do you know that both genitals involved in male circumcision and FGC are the same organs in humans? Why then should men lose theirs, but not women?
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: Mbalu
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Date Posted: 14:10:34 10/19/07 ()
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Toe,
I am a member of the culture that I am now condeming. Why ignore me and speak as if a white woman from Somerset County is the one preaching against FGM. It is me, Mbalu, your S/L sister who has suffered from that ugly practice without my consent.
Hopefully you read my main response to your main posting.
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: babbob
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Date Posted: 22:40:38 10/18/07 ()
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FGC is barbaric and inhuman(rights?).
FGP is a LIFESTYLE, period.
Hahaha...... Ar go dai wit laff.
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: Toegondoe Sagbah
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Date Posted: 23:08:42 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: mendemoi@yahoo.com
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A clear indication of bias and prejudice FOR YOUR OWN WAY OF LIFE. I bet you, you think its more civilized? Hahahaaaaaaa
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: babbob
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Date Posted: 23:22:41 10/18/07 ()
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Toe,
I was just making fun in the way SOME western minds see things.
If it is alien culture, then it is barbaric. On the other hand if similar things are practiced in the west, then it becomes Lifestyle.
Hope you get my drift this time.
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: Toegondoe Sagbah
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Date Posted: 23:43:45 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: mendemoi@yahoo.com
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I'm sorry I misunderstood your sarcasm. Honestly for a minute, I did think that you were being sarcastic. Anyway you are right. Anything unknown or not understood by them is barbaric. A very ignorant way of thinking.
I remember those days when they used to derogatively call Oriental people as "Yellow People" until in the late 1970s when Japan came up technologically, and started taking over the realm of technology. Only then did they become "Japanese" and now "Chinese".
That ignorance cannot be allowed to stand any longer in this modern world. I get offended by our own African people who never seem to see through these racist or prejudiced thinkings.
I just read about some Nobel Prize Scientist who has just goofed by saying Blacks are less intelligent. He attributed his prejudiced thought on factors that have no merit. His whole argument is based on blacks in America who exist in the same environment even though they have been deprived, segregated and cheated out of equal access to all amenities for centuries. All they look at now are blacks of today.
They want us to believe that the centuries of segregation and deprivation and relegation to the worst of everything in America had no impact on the black, what a farce. That type of thinking itself is flawed and such person needs to be taken to task on it.
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: Erica Adams
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Date Posted: 22:16:16 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: ericamonique82@hotmail.com
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What you failed to highlight in your debate is the fact that unlike FGP women (women is the word you used), FGM girls don't have a choice. These girls are having this procedure thrust on them without their consent. If these were women making a lifelong decision, none of us would say a word. There is a big difference between a woman choosing a piercing and a girl being forced into a bush and having her sexual organ butchered against her will. Your agrument is comparing apples and oranges. One has nothing to do with the other.
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: Toegondoe Sagbah
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Date Posted: 23:06:49 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: mendemoi@yahoo.com
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I am so surprised at what you said, that I had to reply against my decisions not to respond much further due to the ignorance I see in your thinking.
You have clearly demonstrated a total lack of understanding of the attributes of social value systems in various cultures. You need to understand that the value systems that a westernized Catholic attaches to the statute of Jesus and Mary in the church is as culturally valuable as the dragons created and displayed by Chinese during their festivals. And remember that there are more Chinese in the world with those belief systems.
Then conversely, try and understand the value system an unGodly person attaches to the same statute of Christ in a Catholic Churc. It is quite meaningless to them.
What I am driving at is that "CULTURE IS IN THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER." IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT, THEN YOU ARE DELUDING YOURSELF IF YOU THINK YOUR OWN CULTUTRAL VALUES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THOSE OF THE NATIVE MAN, TRUST ME. What you hold dear in your own culture means nothing to other cultures.
As per your other argument, adults should never take their children to church until the children become adults and decide for themselves. In fact, they should not even attend school until they grow up and decide for themselves. Does that make any sense to you? YOU CLEARLY MISS WHAT THE PROCESSES OF ACCULTURATION IS IN HUMAN EXISTENCE.
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: Erica Adams
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Date Posted: 23:23:46 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: ericamonique82@hotmail.com
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How am I showing disrespect by supporting someone who has undergone the procedure and says she doen't agree with it? You won't agree with every aspect of my cultural orientation either, but I won't call you ignorant or disrespectful because of it. I didn't make an assessment of anyone's values so maybe you read too much into what I wrote. I don't agree with FGM and I never will so at best I believe we can just agree to disagree. As for your agrument about church and school, I have yet to see a study that outlines the detriment of either. If someone brings the topic to the forum about how they were forced to attend school or church as a child, I will gladly examine the terrible side effects they bring to the forefront.
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: Toegondoe Sagbah
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Date Posted: 23:59:18 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: mendemoi@yahoo.com
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Ok, Forgive me if you think I read too much into your thinking.
But what I will NOT agree with you is the thinking that every child gets "forced" to be initiated into FGC, but when you "order" your kind on Sunday morning to get dressed for church, that is not "forcing". Haven't you ever seen the case of children not wanting to go to school on and they even resist and cry? I have, in very many instances, man.
It especially happens the first time children are made to depart from their parents and go to school. This happens mostly at pre-school or kindergarten level... Its a fact you can agree with. Parents should not forece them as per your argument.
Many people can narrate their upbringing as if they were forced to do certain things because of their parents demands or expectations. For example, you hear many people say that because their parents were doctors, they forced them to be doctors or lawyers etc. It happens.
For FGC, in my tribe, most times girls look forward to being initiated especially because of peer pressure(except for now that these western interlopers are interfering). But in my tribe an uninitiated woman has no power of social reckoning in the tribe amongst her fellow women.
So girls look forward to becoming initiated so that they cannot become outcasts of society. The value that non initiated women hold in the society of my tribe is almost equitable to the value prostitutes hold in western societies.
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: Erica Adams
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Date Posted: 00:07:01 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: ericamonique82@hotmail.com
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"So girls look forward to becoming initiated so that they cannot become outcasts of society. The value that non initiated women hold in the society of my tribe is almost equitable to the value prostitutes hold in western societies. "
Is this really a choice?
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: Toegondoe Sagbah
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Date Posted: 00:21:33 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: mendemoi@yahoo.com
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Is it, in both socieies? i.e the non initiated women in my culture and prostitutes in western culture? I don't think its a matter of choice. Its more a matter of socialization, culture and acculturation.
For example, in my cultural village, prostitutes are the worst looked down people. But in the western world, they even celebrate them sometimes. Big political leaders may deal with the "Madames", and big Church leaders do get involved with prostitutes.
In some countries in western Europe, they even provide officical locat1ons (brothels) for them. Even in those western societies where they are barred to officially operate, yet, they are tolerated somehow. In my cultural village, a prostitute is despised by her fellow married women because they feel she may be a detractors for their marriages.
Again I say, to each his own. Live and let live. Let the people make the change, don't make the change for them, or force a change on them, or your own values on them. We are now fighting similar problem in Iraq, trying to impose our own "democracy" on them, even though they have been surviving all along wayyy longer than the West. Now, Iraqis even prefer Saddam's era to what they have now.
We need to respect the value systems of other humans. There is no guarantee that alien values are better than traditional values especially if forced upon them.
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: babbob
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Date Posted: 22:49:58 10/18/07 ()
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Is there a diffence between a woman choosing a piercing of her ear, and a girl being forced to pierce her ear?
Apply you rules to everything. Don't just apply selectively.
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: Erica Adams
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Date Posted: 23:10:22 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: ericamonique82@hotmail.com
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There is a big difference in piercing your ears and altering someone's sex organ and effecting the way is was naturally designed to work. My ears are pierced and I can still hear. If you have been following on this forum, every woman who has undergone FGM does not feel her sex organ is functioning at it's original state after the procedure.
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: babbob
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Date Posted: 00:31:18 10/19/07 ()
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Erica,
I bet, I could also state that I do not feel sex the same way about sex after I had undergone male circumcision. Oops, I wouldn't know since I was a baby boy when they did it.
My whole beef about this FGC thing is why don't they talk about the male version?
Is it because male circumcision is also practiced in western societies? If that's the case, then leave our uncivillised, barbaric cultures alone. People are meant to practice things differently according to their cultural norms.
To me, discussing FGC seems biased.
If you can allow men to perform male circumcission according to their cultural beliefs, then why not women according to each tribal cultural beliefs?
Some argue that the elders performing the process are not using hygeinic tools, therefore the initiates are more susceptible to HIV/AIDS and other diseases.
But, it is the same people that assists as midwives during births in the villages. So these village midwives use the same tools to cut placenta and the like in order to deliver babies, but when it comes to FGC they're incompetent to use sterilized tools.
What about male elders that are performing Male Circumcision in these villages, are they more medically servy that no one is opposing? Biased, if you ask me.
APPLY THE SAME RULES TO EVERYTHING SIMILAR, then you won't have opposition.
Just try to write or better yet have agenda to ban CIRCUMCISSION including MALE CIRCUMCISSION and see what comes up from western (because it affects the west also)societies.
My belief is that the native tribal heads should decide what is deemed to be their Tradition Culture.
We have paramount chiefs and their wives and advisers in the provinces, and Tribal Chiefs (Hade man) in Freetown to decide what is deemed good for their tribal beliefs.
Please LET US ALL LEAVE these circumcission/mutilation issues ALONE. FGC or lack of is not detrimental to the WELLBEING of mother SALONE.
Discuss issues that the country will gain from.
Just imagine.............
You came out from WAR. You have no meaningful job. You can't feed your family with even two cups of rice. You are thinking, "How will I send my children to School?"
Then.............
Out of the blue, someone comes to you and starts talking about FGC, instead of advising you or training you and supporting in making ends meet.
What will you say........ BO COMOT BIFOE ME DO!!!!!
Lets help to make their ends meet. Lets help ERADICATE POVERTY, by making the Nation thrive. LETs put our effort in providing economic avenues where they'll win and we also will win.
All the energy and effort on FGC mantras and research could be used for better purposes in economically improving the society. It could be used to improve CORRUPTION PERCEPTION.
A learned female professor wrote and boasted, that she will be in F/T this December to fight FGC.
That really breaks my heart.
I was having a dream that, she will take all what she's learnt from the USA and go and instead try to ERADICATE CORRUPTION or at least use the resources for minimising corruption. 'Cause CORRUPTION is what is currently the cancer in our society. First thing first.
Ar Nor geh natin foh eat now, tok bot how ar go geh ting foh eat.
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: Erica Adams
To: All
Date Posted: 00:57:47 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: ericamonique82@hotmail.com
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This whole debate got started because one Sierra Leonean woman stated she had been through this process and didn't like what she believed it did to her sex drive. I supported her then and I support her now. You can call me western, ignorant, and disrepectful, but the fact remains that I'm entitled to my opinion. Since this is a public forum, I will just say again we can agree to disagree.
P.S. In addition to all the areas of importance you have outlined, why can't this issue be important to Mbalu too. In a democratic society, are only the issues that some outline important and who gets to be the decision maker about what's important?
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: WISE WOMAN
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Date Posted: 01:31:01 10/19/07 ()
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Erica, it is true that Mbalu made that statement. Her statement may be true. May be there are other factors responsible for that and not the FGM. There are many NON FGM women in both the West and other places that hate sex or do not derive pleasure from sex like other. There are also some FGM women who are having "a ball" with their partners in bed. And therefore, to generalize that FGM IS THE MAIN CAUSE FOR SEXUAL DISPLEASURE IS UNFOUNDED AND MISPLACED.
WHAT ABOUT ALL THESE WESTERN WOMEN WHO GO TO SEX THERAPIST? IS IT BECAUSE THEY NOM FGM? ONE CAN NOT SAY THAT. WHAT ABOUT THOSE WHO EVEN DECIDE TO HATE MEN AND ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH MEN, BECAUSE OF PAST EXPERIENCES, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FGM? WHAT ABOUT THOSE WHO LIKES ONLY THE SAME SEX RELATIONSHIP? IS IT DUE TO FGM OR NOT? YOU SEE, THERE ARE MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: Toegondoe Sagbah
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Date Posted: 08:03:53 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: mendemoi@yahoo.com
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Thank you very much, Wise Woman. You are indeed wise. Narrow minds are difficult to crack. But thanks
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: babbob
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Date Posted: 01:28:10 10/19/07 ()
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Erica,
First things first!!!!!!
I'm at the bottom of the UN Human Index not because of FGC. Bring me up from the cesspit (bottom) of the UN Human Index, by providing means to do that Or join the band wagon of those who are doing so, and you'd have made my day.
No where currently have majority of Sierra Leoneans suffered en masse due to FGM (I've not heard about it so much pronouncely like POVERTY), but that Cesspit makes all of us suffer.
Divert the energy to the Eradication of Poverty or Minimising Corruption or ECONOMIC EMPOWERMENT issues.
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: Toegondoe Sagbah
To: All
Date Posted: 08:19:28 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: mendemoi@yahoo.com
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Message:
Great point, Babbob. Those who are crying about FGC should show us they care about human social problems by addressing poverty. No, they won't because their underlying objective is not about FGC, but about eradicating other human cultures so that only their own will survive on earth.
Take the Europeans, for example. When they went around the world as missionaries, colonial msters, traders etc. they never tried to learn or promote the languages and cultures of the people they came across. Instead, they imposed their own cultures and languages on the MAJORITY they came across.
For example, imagine how many Indians the British met in India. Yet they did not care to make Hindu the prime language or cultural value in India. Instead, they made English the main language so that all the millions of Indians would look up to them (the few British colonialists), and their values while abanding their own.
Today, English is spoken all over the world, that's always what the English wanted. Not that they wanted to "civilize people" people, but to dominate their culture and, if possible, eradicate them. Where are the American Indians today.
Now they are going around trying to eradicate FGC in other people's cultures, yet still they have and accept FGP and male circumcision in their own cultures. If they are against "circumcision", then let them be against "ALL" circumcisions not selected some based on their personal interests, likes or dislikes.
This is going to be my last. I think I have quietly convinced Mbalu, that's why she has conveniently chosen to be absent in this debate.
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: Toegondoe Sagbah
To: All
Date Posted: 00:42:54 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: mendemoi@yahoo.com
Entered From: pool-71-168-132-186.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net at 71.168.132.186
Message:
You actually made my night with this argument. I love it. You are soooo right. I shall respond to it some more tomorrow. I am going to bed now. Hopefully Mabalu will join in tomorrow. I am on the East coast.
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: Fallacy!
To: All
Date Posted: 00:26:13 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ppp-69-233-244-59.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net at 69.233.244.59
Message:
You have just made a fallacious statement. And this is it "every woman who has undergone FGM does not feel her sex organ is functioning at its original state after the procedure."
That is not true. It is not every woman that have undergone FGM feel so. On the entire Forum, only two claimed so and the 3rd. lady is a Gborkabana.
Erica, can you undertake a study of selected FGM women and non FGM women from different tribes, in different countries to proof or disproof all the assertions that the proponents of "ANTI FGM" are making? The study will have to be a longitudinal one for it to be valid. Until then, you are just blowing hot air.
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: Toegondoe Sagbah
To: All
Date Posted: 00:51:33 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: mendemoi@yahoo.com
Entered From: pool-71-168-132-186.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net at 71.168.132.186
Message:
I totally agree with you. That is the most falacious argument of all. I know so bcause I will never say that about my FGC wife. I have had both FGC and non FGC wives (not just women),in my life, and they are the SAME, responded the same to me all the time. I can authoritatively say so.
In fact, what I know is that non FGM women with ultra high libido get to be very voracious and are quick to get satisfied and then turn over and go to sleep for the night. If you the man, want some more, forget it. But with the FGM woman, believe me, if you have "STAY POWER", only you, the man, can give up unless she just doesn't want to such as because of having worked all day.
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: Erica Adams
To: All
Date Posted: 00:48:12 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: ericamonique82@hotmail.com
Entered From: adsl-074-185-005-235.sip.clt.bellsouth.net at 74.185.5.235
Message:
If I can clarify my statement.
Not every woman who has undergone FGM feels her sex organ is functioning at its original state after the procedure.
I hope that clears things up.
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: Toegondoe Sagbah
To: All
Date Posted: 00:55:51 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: mendemoi@yahoo.com
Entered From: pool-71-168-132-186.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net at 71.168.132.186
Message:
Understand that we are all humans but we all don't perform at the same level. We all don't have the same strength. There are weak and powerful men and women when it comes to bed. The libidos are not the same because of differences in the biological make up. I don' think its largely because of FGC or non FGC.
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: Toegondoe Sagbah
To: All
Date Posted: 23:10:14 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: mendemoi@yahoo.com
Entered From: pool-71-168-132-186.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net at 71.168.132.186
Message:
Is there? What is the ultimate result in both circumstances? AN EAR GETS PIERCED IN BOTH CASES, PERIOD!!!
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: Sadam Insane
To: All
Date Posted: 22:21:23 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: sorba_1@yahoo.com
Entered From: c-68-49-178-95.hsd1.md.comcast.net at 68.49.178.95
Message:
They fall in the catigory of fruits. They both juicy. That analogy is getting old. Baboo and Monkey sound better. apples and oranges is for the west. I am from Africa. Insane I am.
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or PPP
From: Sadam Insane
To: All
Date Posted: 21:48:57 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: sorba_1@yahoo.com
Entered From: c-68-49-178-95.hsd1.md.comcast.net at 68.49.178.95
Message:
Because men have nuts
Subject: Re: Respect Other Cultures...Change FGM To FGC Or FGP
From: Toegondoe Sagbah
To: All
Date Posted: 21:36:48 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: mendemoi@yahoo.com
Entered From: pool-71-168-132-186.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net at 71.168.132.186
Message:
Correction to the Subject header. I mant to write FGP (Female Genital Piercing)
Subject: Mballu is becoming a nonentity in her bid for FGM radication
From: POLITICAL
To: All
Date Posted: 19:16:21 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: smtpgateway.azdes.gov at 207.108.136.243
Message:
Mballu, if you are serious about leading the fight against FGM in Sierra Leone and expect a good result, you need to change your negative attitude about other people. Yes, it true that when you want to get a crock out of the river, you need to encourage it to come upland. This is how leaders work. On the contrary, you are here to fight against your critics. Bad idea. Don't become like John Leigh in his first years in this forum. JEL is very matured and smart, but his too much talks made him irrelevant to many forumites. Please refrain from decrying people who decry you. Otherwise, you are no different from those you decry.
Subject: Re: Mballu is becoming a nonentity in her bid for FGM radication
From: Mbalu
To: All
Date Posted: 20:26:21 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: c-68-85-100-34.hsd1.de.comcast.net at 68.85.100.34
Message:
Mr. POLITICAL,
Thanks for your constructive comments, well taken.
However, we are S/Leoneans and I for one know how to handle my brothers and sisters depending on the direction a debate takes and the dictates of my reasonable assessments. I did my sixth form in an all boys school, I was in the thick of affairs when FBC Students Union needed a resuscitation during my time at Aureol, and I have spent over ten years in NYC. In a nut-shell, I am not your everyday woman. I am a very strong woman with tremendous self confidence. I can be out there with the guys and no one intimidates me. Sometimes it is absolutely necessary to respond to people in the same language they speak. For the most part, I am diplomatic in my approach to people and of course I am very humble and respectful. But when my buttons are pushed, I can be feisty.
Again, I will be in Freetown over the x-mas break and I will be pushing the FGM issue as far as I can go. I did my research and continue to do it. The various exchanges in this forum since I launched the debate are part of my research. No idea is too small or too big. But any fitiyae bobor go know say Mbalu nor dae take mess.
I will fully fund my endeavors using my personal money. Some folks made crazy comments about the salary of a college prof., but forget to ask me how much money I have or if I have any other sources of income. It goes to reveal how shallow people think. I am not rich but definitely rich by S/L standards and I can proudly re-state that I have enough to be included in the group of the financially stable here in America. Thats all. I need any moral help that anyone can offer.
Again, Big-ups Lady J and Erica and others that support me. Thank you.
Subject: Re: Mballu is becoming a nonentity in her bid for FGM radication
From: Somtin Butu!
To: All
Date Posted: 21:08:46 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: pool-71-247-149-33.nycmny.east.verizon.net at 71.247.149.33
Message:
Mbalu,
You've got the intellect of an Ivy Leaguer and the feisty toughness of a ghetto hoochie...a very sexy combo. "You gets down, baby!"
I'm gonna be in F/Town during the X-mas break and will be gunning for you like a heat-seeking missile. I and my team will be on the look-out for any JC anti-FGM crusader because you already got me stewing in my special juices. If you are as passionate a lover as you are with your crusade, OH BABY!
You and I have a rendezvous with sweet, gentle, sensuous, smooching destiny, dearie. Beds are gonna explode in Freetown! I'm a master PUA. You are mine baby, and I, yours.
Subject: Re: Mballu is becoming a nonentity in her bid for FGM radication
From: Mbalu
To: All
Date Posted: 14:17:25 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: eduproxy2.k12.de.us at 167.21.254.12
Message:
Somtin Butu,
Thanks Baby, I love you too.
Don't you think then that I should have your name?:)
Just kidding, have a great weekend.
Subject: Re: Mballu is becoming a nonentity in her bid for FGM radica
From: Yaya Fanusie
To: All
Date Posted: 23:43:14 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: saigobe@lanset.com
Entered From: pool-71-179-99-138.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net at 71.179.99.138
Message:
Somtin Butu,
You are trash!
Yaya Fanusie
Subject: Re: Mballu is becoming a nonentity in her bid for FGM radica
From: Somtin Butu!
To: All
Date Posted: 04:52:17 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: pool-71-247-149-33.nycmny.east.verizon.net at 71.247.149.33
Message:
Yaya Fanusie,
How ba, you dae jelos?
Mbalu nar me baby-O, nor go near dae O!
Somtin Butu!
Subject: Re: Mballu is becoming a nonentity in her bid for FGM radication
From: Sadam Insane
To: All
Date Posted: 20:58:14 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: sorba_1@yahoo.com
Entered From: c-68-49-178-95.hsd1.md.comcast.net at 68.49.178.95
Message:
The problem you are having is the inconsistencies in your statements. Do you remember your first statement in this forum about FGM?. IF I can remember, you said all the men were leaving you because you went to bondo and they cut your tin correct? There was no memtioned that you were about to do a research. As a professor, is that the way to start a research project? when some of us stated to respond, you start terrorizing every one of us that was negative towards your topic.
Now you have turned 360 degrees on us. You are now doing a rearch on this issue. My question to you now is, did you find a man and if so what is his opeion on this issue?. You see I am trying to be nice towards you because you will not win the fight but if this is for a research project we will give you our honest openion for us the uneducated once.
Just for the record please stop telling us about your education, some of you don't give a hoot about that. Here in America, you do not have to be well educated to be reach a la Bill Gate. You do not know the background for most of us. We might be crazy and have no brain left in us but we are alive and kicking.
I think you should have started by saying that you were aboout to do some findings on this FGM because you probably were very little when you went but now that you have got your act together, you think it is wrong. I would have been one of the first person to support you even though my mother is a degba.
My suggestion to you is to change the heading of this whole debate and see how the topic can be handle differntly. I am still a gay and Insane.
Subject: Re: Mballu is becoming a nonentity in her bid for FGM radication
From: Fen Plaba!
To: All
Date Posted: 21:13:54 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: pool-71-247-149-33.nycmny.east.verizon.net at 71.247.149.33
Message:
"I am still a gay and Insane".---Sadam Insane.
REALLY?
Subject: Re: Mballu is becoming a nonentity in her bid for FGM radication
From: Sadam Insane
To: All
Date Posted: 21:47:24 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: sorba_1@yahoo.com
Entered From: c-68-49-178-95.hsd1.md.comcast.net at 68.49.178.95
Message:
How ba you wan fen me plaba? Or you na gay too. If so bring it on sun shine!
Subject: Re: Mballu is becoming a nonentity in her bid for FGM radication
From: ON THE RAMPGE
To: All
Date Posted: 21:48:27 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 144.226.173.69
Message:
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Subject: Re: Mballu is becoming a nonentity in her bid for FGM radication
From: Sadam Insane
To: All
Date Posted: 21:55:30 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: sorba_1@yahoo.com
Entered From: c-68-49-178-95.hsd1.md.comcast.net at 68.49.178.95
Message:
You made me laugh my nuts off. That was so good.
Subject: JOHN BENJAMIN AS PARTY LEADER? WITHER AWAY, SLPP.
From: BRA ENVIABLE
To: All
Date Posted: 17:48:09 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-mtc-ah10.proxy.aol.com at 64.12.117.202
Message:
Did some one nominate John Benjamin on this forum for SLPP leadership? John Benjamin may have a pronounceable name, but the texture of his character is ill-suited for political party leadership. From the early 1990s when he served Valentine Strasser to date, John Benjamin has fashioned and refashioned himself so many times that the man cannot avoid being called a political hustler. Mr. Benjamin's readiness to hawk his wares as a political hustler is, however, the least worry I have about him. The Segbwema case in which he acted as prime mover behind the attack on Ernest Koroma during the presidential campaign, revealed a deadlier side of Mr. Benjamin. Political violence is nothing new in Sierra Leone. However, I was under the mistaken view that a man of John Benjamin's stature can be finicky enough to avoid being a warrior in circumstances where brains are needed. I was wrong!
Had the clashes in Segbwema claimed the life of {candidate} Koroma, Johns Benjamin and Karimu would have stood accused of starting fires they cannot extinguish. The battle for the presidency is not a war of attrition to be prosecuted with ambushes and cutlasses. Political opponents should be attacked with a superiority of ideas rather than a crudity of ambushes. In democratic politics, it is fairly acceptable to magnify an opponent's weakness, turn it into a scandal, and attempt to drag his name through the muddiest dirt. Physical attacks are simply unthinkable. A man that plots bodily injury against his opponent should not lead a political party in a country that has always known violence.
Political hustlers are job seekers rather than servants of their nation{s}. If President Koroma were to dangle prospects for an "oily" job in front of John Benjamin, the man will disrobe himself of his SLPP colors and join the APC as though he never knew a party called the SLPP. Once in power, people like Benjamin tend to insulate themselves with a batch of hangers-on. Well-meaning citizens will be eased out of the decision making process even when the need for realism is desperate. Tejan Kabbah ruled like that, and in the interest of our country, John Benjamin should not be inflicted on the SLPP as party leader.
Subject: Re: JOHN BENJAMIN AS PARTY LEADER? WITHER AWAY, SLPP.
From: Mammy Blessing
To: All
Date Posted: 21:25:43 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: pool-71-247-149-33.nycmny.east.verizon.net at 71.247.149.33
Message:
Clear, lucid, cogent....definitely presidential material! One fine day, you will run for president and I will be right by your side, my friend, fundraising and campaigning for you. One day, Bra Enviable, One day!
Subject: Re: JOHN BENJAMIN AS PARTY LEADER? WITHER AWAY, SLPP.
From: You must be kidding!
To: All
Date Posted: 00:04:58 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 144.226.173.69
Message:
"Clear, lucid, cogent....definitely presidential material!"
You're kidding right? Bra Enviable for president? The fellow makes Alan keys, the know-it-all presidential candidate, appears like child play.
Subject: Re: JOHN BENJAMIN AS PARTY LEADER? WITHER AWAY, SLPP.
From: Mammy Blessing
To: All
Date Posted: 04:53:57 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: pool-71-247-149-33.nycmny.east.verizon.net at 71.247.149.33
Message:
So, What's youy point?
Subject: Re: JOHN BENJAMIN AS PARTY LEADER? WITHER AWAY, SLPP.
From: Fen Plaba!
To: All
Date Posted: 04:58:44 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: pool-71-247-149-33.nycmny.east.verizon.net at 71.247.149.33
Message:
So, What's youy point?
Dear Mammy Blessing,
I'm sure that you wanted to write:
"So, what's your point?"
Sorry.. just trying to be helpful.
Fen Plaba!
Subject: Re: JOHN BENJAMIN AS PARTY LEADER? WITHER AWAY, SLPP.
From: Mammy Blessing
To: All
Date Posted: 05:02:19 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: pool-71-247-149-33.nycmny.east.verizon.net at 71.247.149.33
Message:
One of these days, ar go kaitch U nar fityie kornah. Wait nor mor!
Thanks for the grammar correction, buddy
MB.
Subject: Re: JOHN BENJAMIN AS PARTY LEADER? WITHER AWAY, SLPP.
From: Kalos
To: All
Date Posted: 13:38:41 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 66.250.191.180
Message:
MB, you grammar correct. Di borbor just poil you good english!! It is always fun to read your postings!!!!!!
Subject: FODAY MANSARAY???????
From: SHOW US YOUR CREDENTIALS!!!!
To: All
Date Posted: 17:25:51 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 204.108.68.10
Message:
FODAY PROOF YOUR CRITICS WRONG. POST ON THIS FORUM WHAT YOU GOT THAT QUALIFIES YOU FOR THE DEPUTY GOVERNORSHIP. IT NOT JUST TO THAT "HE IS NICE, HE IS KIND, HE IS PATRIOTIC ETC. SHOW US. PROOF YOUR CRITICKS WRONG PLEASE. FREE YOURSELF MR. MANSARAY. YOUR REPUTATION IS AT STAKE!!!
Subject: Re: FODAY MANSARAY???????
From: Pa. Sandie
To: All
Date Posted: 18:47:48 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: ginamissah@hotmail.com
Entered From: pool-71-187-169-29.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net at 71.187.169.29
Message:
He can't show us because he dont have any. I think he is dreaming to be appointed deputy bank governor. Let us dont waste our time, because EBK will NEVER appoint Foday as deputy bank governor.
Subject: Re: FODAY MANSARAY???????
From: Bambay Lans Kamara
To: All
Date Posted: 21:44:00 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: sccadmin195198.scc.losrios.edu at 165.196.195.198
Message:
Let us first of all see what credentials mean because what you might understand about credentials is different from what the government might consider.
Credentials:
1. That which entitles one to confidence, credit, or authority.
2. Credentials Evidence or testimonials concerning one's right to credit, confidence, or authority: The new ambassador presented her credentials to the president.
Therefore, if you are anticipating the probability for the President to appoint him to such a position, psychologically, you might have thought highly of him. Then he has credence within your inexpressive psychic. That is from a psychological perspective.
Haven said that, I thought it fit to make one or two observations regarding this matter because many people, globally, are going wrong in this area without knowing it. Rather than impress, as that might be their goal, they expose their ignorance of what government is and capable of by judging base on their belief systems or the way they were brought-up to believe outside the moral confines of global beliefs or the beliefs outside their subcultures.
Do you actually know the said person, by knowing not just seeing them but have a thorough knowledge of their background or are you just talking presumptively based on what others have said or what you presume he is capable and incapable of doing considering primarily, your sub-cultural belief system?
Is it that he doesn't want to show us his credentials because he feels he doesn't need to prove himself to us but the President and the government, and the only thing he needs to show is his competence in performing his duties or is this just your perception of what might prevent him from showing you, because most of us are not interested in his credentials for the fact that, if we are anticipating that a President might appoint him in that capacity then that is satisfactory to suggested that there are formidable potentials that are equivalent to the credentials we desire to see proof of otherwise, we might not think of him in that fashion?
I have been amazed at how people are so sure about what others think or might do. What amazes me more is the authoritative nature they speak about what they perceive would be other peoples' opinion about issues.
We are talking about a President here and you have never held a tête-à-tête with the President to know what he might think or do about the said situation but are categorically and emphatically, authoritatively for that matter, stating with confidence as though you have had talks with the President, who told you that that is what he is going to do.
This is why when a government/governments are involved in an issue and I see certain people playing folly, I shake my head in wonder as to how callous people can be. This situation is unrelated but nonetheless, a President is not a joke. So we must wait to see if the President appoints him. If he does, be rest assured that he has credentials that qualify's him. We are basically guessing here, which qualifies the precinct of limbo as far as knowledge of the said person’s credentials or the President’s opinion of him. I do not believe and will never be convinced that you have the merits to challenge what the President’s opinion of him is. Therefore, whether or not he shows or proves himself to you does not matter in any way because you are in no authority do otherwise if the President and the government is satisfied; do you? Therefore, why can’t we concentrate on what our personal futures might be as whether or not he is qualified is not going to add a speck to a status in Sierra Leone or where ever we are. I see it as a waste of precious time to go out looking for people might or might have not accomplished when their issues are before a government, and the President for that matter
It bewilders me to see how certain people are so sure that they know more about other people, want to know more about other people though such efforts will not add a cubic to their heights.
People who know about governments, knowing that certain issues are in front of these governments, if it does not affect them directly, would mind their business.
Subject: Linking Websites
From: Lawrence Bangura
To: All
Date Posted: 17:25:12 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: lawrence@lumleybeach.com
Entered From: at 84.54.30.6
Message:
I am a sierra Leone and I am suggesting that you link www.swissworld.org in your website as it has a lot of resources and things to learn about switzerland that is useful to students and people from different works of life.
Subject: This site is under construction.
From: Muck
To: All
Date Posted: 16:55:01 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: s0106001731677de8.wp.shawcable.net at 24.79.65.27
Message:
This site is under construction. Any opinion, suggestion or comment? I am developing this site for a sierra Leonean business man. Please note that content on the site is a demo.
Click: www.luckysib.com/osc
Subject: Re: This site is under construction.
From: KING LOGGY
To: All
Date Posted: 17:06:25 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 144.226.173.69
Message:
If this Sierra Leonean businessman is going to be doing business in Sierra Leone, this pic probably must go.
Subject: Re: This site is under construction.
From: Muck
To: All
Date Posted: 17:22:36 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: s0106001731677de8.wp.shawcable.net at 24.79.65.27
Message:
Also don’t forget, this is an eCommerce application
Subject: Re: This site is under construction.
From: KING LOGGY
To: All
Date Posted: 18:16:25 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 144.226.173.69
Message:
Enviable layout, warm and cool colors. And oh, the sans-serif fonts works out perfectly "ON" the menu. IMPRESSIVE!!!
Subject: Re: This site is under construction.
From: Muck
To: All
Date Posted: 17:19:39 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: s0106001731677de8.wp.shawcable.net at 24.79.65.27
Message:
Thanks for your comment
He is going to be using his wife's Picture there. i just used my design and created a template for him. We may also have to increase the font size on the word "International Boutique" and some other changes as well. Thanks though!
Subject: This site is under construction
From: Muck
To: All
Date Posted: 16:49:22 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: s0106001731677de8.wp.shawcable.net at 24.79.65.27
Message:
This site is under construction. Any opinion, suggestion or comment? I am developing this site for a sierra Leonean business man. Please note that content on the site is a demo.
Click:luckysib.com/osc
Subject: KHANJI DARAMY- WHEN ARE YOU LEAVING?
From: Crawo
To: All
Date Posted: 16:44:04 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: crawo@yahoo.com
Entered From: at 206.113.148.2
Message:
You mean Khanji Daramy still wants to serve a President he criticized as uneducated and knows nothing about development?
Why cant we have some pride and know when it is time to say goodbye?
Subject: Re: KHANJI DARAMY- WHEN ARE YOU LEAVING?
From: KD
To: All
Date Posted: 07:16:36 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 83.229.112.2
Message:
Pas aa die
Subject: CAN SOMEONE HELP MY SITUATION????
From: Salone Man
To: All
Date Posted: 16:13:11 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: imtu71@hotmail.com
Entered From: pool-71-255-153-112.cncdnh.east.verizon.net at 71.255.153.112
Message:
I have a burning situation and I'm in desperate need for help. I entered the U.S. as an international student and I've pursued my studies in Business Administration till my 4th year. I dropped out during my final semester due to economic hardship. However, I've been married to a U.S. citizen who is sincerely willing to help me out but the only problem is that she didn't make sufficient finance the previous year inorder to file an affidavits for me.I contacted the INS and I was told to find a Co-Sponsor. My wife has 3 children plus her and I which makes 5 in the family. I'll greatly appreciate if someone could help out with the affidavits of support within 125% poverty guideline. I'm willing to meet any reasonable demand requested in return for the favor. Please help a brother out of this situation.
Subject: Re: CAN SOMEONE HELP MY SITUATION????
From: Erica Adams
To: All
Date Posted: 16:44:41 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: ericamonique82@hotmail.com
Entered From: adsl-074-185-005-235.sip.clt.bellsouth.net at 74.185.5.235
Message:
Do you or your wife have a relative who meets the guidelines? We've helped relatives who don't meet the guidelines. My advice would be to deal with family. You don't want to have your immigration issues tied to others who may not have your best interest at heart or who may make you jump through hoops to get what you need.
Subject: Re: CAN SOMEONE HELP MY SITUATION????
From: Salone Man
To: All
Date Posted: 17:24:14 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: imtu71@hotmail.com
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Message:
We've had relatives that tried to help but didn't qualify because of the amount which is roughly about $35,000 per year for a family of 5. I also appreciate your advise but I'm running out of time.
Subject: Re: CAN SOMEONE HELP MY SITUATION????
From: M. Alieu Iscandari Esq
To: All
Date Posted: 19:22:15 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: aiscandari@aol.com
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Message:
call 510 615 6000 or write aiscandari@aol.com
Subject: Re: CAN SOMEONE HELP MY SITUATION????
From: Salone Man
To: All
Date Posted: 06:58:28 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: imtu71@hotmail.com
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Message:
Please expect my call in few hours.
Subject: FGM DEBATE IN SIERRA LEONE
From: A WISE WOMAN TO MBALU
To: All
Date Posted: 15:48:15 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
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WHEN YOU COME BACK FROM SIERRA LEONE, PLEASE SHARE YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH US. I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE GOOD, BUT ALL THE BEST. PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU TAKE THE DEBATE "FACE ON" WITH THOSE TRIBES AND AREAS THAT ARE ACTUALLY PRACTISING FGM. DO NOT JUST CONCENTRATE THE DEBATE ON THE NON FGM TRIBES AND OR AREAS!
I HOPE THAT NOBODY WILL PHYSICALLY MANHANDLE YOU IN THE PROVINCES. TRAVEL ARROUND THE COUTRY DEBATING IT AND ONCE AGAIN GOOD LUCK!
Subject: Re: FGM DEBATE IN SIERRA LEONE
From: Chez Winakabs Europe
To: All
Date Posted: 16:18:02 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
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I find it very hard to enter such a debate. in my cultural anthropology class of 1990, I was made to talk on a few subjects over the course of six months - among them was two important ones - to cut or not to cut and Born Gay. The latter I found out through available research was not a cultural custruct but a biological. The former - SUNNA - was a social custruct to keep jobs for the older women and also to reduce the sexual drives of young women. Where do I stand in the former? I am either way!! my grandmother was a Ya Bai and she performed this on so many young women - no shame in this as it was the parents of the soety she was in that trusted her to perform such. I tried to talk to her about it during my research on the subject but she told me it is not a man's thing. I explained to her what my role was - she was furious. I abandon the subject and I did not mention it again. My regret is that i did not push her to the extreme - she is now gone and what she held on SUNNA is also gone.
The subject as i mentioned earlier is a social custom, not a religious practice. However, in those Muslim countries where it is practice, SUNNA or the more extreme 'cut' (FGM) is often justified by a controversial saying attributed to the Prophet Mohammed that seem to favour sunna circumcision involving minor cutting of the clitoris. The authenticity of these sayings are unconfirmed, and some scholars have refuted them. Even if true, they only permit the practice; they do not mandate it.
FGM has probably been performed for at least 1,400 years (some references estimate 2,000 years), and started during what Muslims call "al-gahiliyyah" (the era of ignorance). The Qu'r'an, Hebrew scr1ptures (Old Testament) and Christian scr1ptures (New Testament) is silent on the subject. The Sunnah (the words and actions of the Prophet Mohammed) contains a reference to female circumcision.
"Those who advocate for FGM from an Islamic perspective commonly quote the following hadith to argue that it is required as part of the Sunnah or Tradition of the Prophet:
'Um Atiyyat al-Ansariyyah said: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (pbuh) said to her: Do not cut too severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband'." 1,8
It is a topic I cannot place myself on a particular/specific ambit. I pray we try to understand why the 'others' want the cultures that practice such to stop it! Why do they continue to pierce every part of their bodies?
I think we should look for a middle ground - let it be a matter of choice by a participating adult and not authorised by an adult on an infant/child.
We should not abandon our traditions - let our cultures be preserved!!
Subject: SAHR kAINGBANJA!
From: Paul Bangura
To: All
Date Posted: 15:30:28 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: paulbangura2004@yahoo.com
Entered From: c-71-197-97-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net at 71.197.97.158
Message:
Posted by Paul Bangura on October 18, 2007 at 13:01:53:
In Reply to: SAHR KAINGBANJA posted by NAMWENCHE-SAYNANH on October 17, 2007 at 18:05:17:
This is the greatest unfairness a national can do to another national. WHY SALONE MAN NOR GO LEF FOR BE SMALL?
Mr, try to have something great in your mind when you get to this forum where very much is expected from users or contributors. This is disappointing about a Sierra Leonean with a decent up-bringing. You look like one of us back-yard guys who take pleasure in bringing down people. You can be sure that you will not succeed with this fine man, who is full of great things for the country you think you so love.
This guy is lovely; he has the desire and passion to see our likes improve so that we will turn our backs at doing unprogressive things-like going down so low as to insult people. You are a disappointment to that growing nation. Watch your words and be a good learner.
Sahr Kaingbanja is occupied with very important issues ( as I write this mail for the forum) about our country and I am sure you cannot derail that which he is doing with your peety talks. This fine guy is passing around in Sacramento doing no harm to even you who has chosen to insult him.
However, thank God he is here and some of us have been able to associate with him. If you know him really well, you need to come back to this same forum and appologize for your bad mouth. Kaingbanja is a blessing for those of us who know him. With his presence here in Sacramento, we have been able to learn greatly from him. He is an embodiment of knowlege who passes around unassumingly that you need to come close to so that you can share a gist of what he knows. You need to get close to him for you to know what I am writing. After knowing what some of us have known about him, you will slap yourself for being too small in your mind. You have really refused to grow.
I am not praising him; I am telling you the truth about this man who has love and passion for even those who do not like him, like YOU.
Thanks to brother allieu who is a legal-minded senior brother in the area and has told you that his association with the infamous regime does not make him criminally liable for any offense.
Please know this too. On his way out of Sierra Leone, he applied for visa; went for interview and was issued a visa to travel to this great nation to study. He has completed what you can't, I emphasize, CAN NEVER acquire in your life, by the way I have assessed you.
God who created us has passion for us,and becuase He created us in his own image, he (God)expects us to do likewise to our fellowmen, His creations. We don't damn others when we don't know them.
Look at who he is staying with, bra Allieu refers to him as an icon. If you know what that means, you should start going away from this kind of attitude-insulting people just because you are in America and have access to a computer you can use to insult people. This which you are doing to this man is equal to what the SLPP did to our people in Sierra Leone. Don't you know that? If you don't, then exert some more effort to know it, and don't insult this harmless and progressive man who means well for even you. Nobody holds anything against him in Salone, except your likes who will come out immaturely to damn others. This is unfair. I believe you do talk to him each time you see him in Sacramento and San Jose but will come behind his back to stab him. I predict, the same will be done to you in a not too distant future. People will damn you. This guy is too nice to be treated the way you are doing. Thank God, he is safe in the hands of Jesus. Many other people will tell this forum good things about this selfless man.
He has not stayed too long in the US but within this time of his stay here, he has tried to excel himself in what you and I cannot do. Just touch closer to him and you will feel the love he has for his fellow man; you will feel intelligence radiating from him; you will sense decency and straight-forwardness in a fine human being. He is not a thief, and not a killer. He is a devoted Christian with an appreciable degree of moral standing you can envy.
After all, there was a reconciliation talk for all of us so that we can be able to forge ahead as a nation. What did you understand by that? My brother, the AFRC was better than SLPP by my own assessment. If an infamous regime was able to provide electricity for the people in Freetown (where their activities were confined or rather limited) 24/7 for all the time they stayed in their so-called power, and the most popular SLPP could not until when there were elections around the corner, then I must praise people like Sahr Kaingbanja who lived in that government.
Can't you see? Open your eyes to see what lies ahead of us as a people of the world's most backward nation. Let us embrace one another so that we can take that country out from its present state to some enviable position. We have the human resources to do it if we do away with the kind of thinking people like you have. Do not judge the man by the government he served; judge him by his actions, by what he did. I think that will be human and can be acceptable by any right-thinking man. DON'T USE THE FORUM TO INSULT. If you know Pastor Ansu, talk to him about this man; I believe he is the Pastor's body and knows him better. Take that route, and not your INS who knows why the man is here and what good things he has done and is doing for the short time he has been here in the US.
Let me hold my breath for now and ask you to go back to this same forum you have used to insult this man to ask God for forgiveness. Go to the forum and send him an appology. I have told you that you cannot do an iota of what this guy is doing for our beloved nation. He does not talk, he acts. He moves around Sacramento with ideas of development, as to how we can, as a nation, walk out of poverty- TO MAKE PEOPLE LIKE YOU TO STOP DOING DOUBLES IN NURSING HOMES OR....
Do you know that Kabbah who was President of Sierra Leone is a candidate for war crimes? I know you have been told this but you decided to come to the forum with unprogressive things to attract attention. This is unacceptable. Run away from this kind of attitude; it is of the devil. If you don't I will come down hard and make your true name known so that people will know that you are no good living thing that means well for others.
Follow Ups:
Subject: What happen to Bio's agricultural investments in Ghana?
From: Eddie Grant
To: All
Date Posted: 15:26:07 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 89.243.137.231
Message:
During his tenure of office, Maada Bio was reported to have syphoned a lot of funds from state coffers so were others. The proceeds of these were invested in Ghana.
He was said to have opened a huge agricultural complex employing Ghanains.
Today, Bio is back in Sierra Leone to fight for power. To be honest, I have very little knowledge of these reports.
Could people who happen to associate themselves with these people shed some light into this? so we know exactly what's happening
Subject: Re: What happen to Bio's agricultural investments in Ghana?
From: Ibrahim Turay
To: All
Date Posted: 15:45:17 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: imtu71@hotmail.com
Entered From: pool-71-255-153-112.cncdnh.east.verizon.net at 71.255.153.112
Message:
The last info I got was that he was grossly indebted due to government taxes. Since Rawlings was a close allied of his, he was granted the priviledges of tax exemption. Once the new government took over, the tax blanket was revoked and was forced to file for bankruptcy.
Subject: Re: What happen to Bio's agricultural investments in Ghana?
From: Eddie Grant
To: All
Date Posted: 15:55:13 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
If all said is true, don't you think he should be investigated?
Subject: Re: What happen to Bio's agricultural investments in Ghana?
From: Curiousman
To: All
Date Posted: 07:27:36 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
Investigated for what???for having investment in Ghana or for having links with Rawlings or for filing bankruptcy in Ghana???
Subject: Re: What happen to Bio's agricultural investments in Ghana?
From: FAD
To: All
Date Posted: 12:19:35 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: arlynd@hotmail.com
Entered From: at 65.91.143.30
Message:
well well well, Maada Bio told us on radio(FM 98.1) in salone when he was running for flag bearer of the SLPP that he has never been to/in Ghana contrary to what people have been saying about him.
so it is up to him.
NAR IM LOSSES N NAR IM PROFIT.
Subject: THE TRANSITION TEAM IA AS ITS NAME IMPLIES TRANSITIONAL
From: tataisu
To: All
Date Posted: 15:22:07 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: tataisu@yahoo.com
Entered From: at 206.113.148.2
Message:
The Transitional team is as its name implies is transitional. The State House Website should be the website of the Office of the President and not the Transitional Team. We expected much from you.
Subject: Talk is Over! Sierra Leone Infrastructure Development -SLID
From: Patrick S. Bockari
To: All
Date Posted: 14:21:52 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: patbock48@yahoo.com
Entered From: pat.fwhq2nat.dot.ca.gov at 64.174.7.191
Message:
Dear Fellow Citizens of Sierra Leone:
NOTE OF CAUTION: [If you are one of those "pessimistic Nay Sayers" full of negativity, and believe that Sierra Leone will never boldly develop or afford modern highways & roads, or ever get adequate electricity, water supply, the Lungi Bridge, and all the other great things that bring immigrants to the USA, Europe, Australia, China, Canada, and other developed countries, THEN DON'T BOTHER TO WRITE TO US. We need those who have something positive to add to our proposal, or constructively point our problems with our proposals. You will one day see this plan implemented!]
http://www.ivnps.com/SLID.HTML
Many suggested that I share my proposals with the government. I did not feel then that the SLPP government was up to the task. Well, in partnership with another brilliant citizen, Sahr K. Kaingbanja, we have the "Sierra Leone's Infrastructure Development Plan" drafted. Below is a web link to summary excerpts of the draft plan. EVERY SIERRA LEONE CITIZEN IS INVITED TO JOIN THIS PARTNERSHIP FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR COUNTRY. All the terms and conditions are still being worked out. But we need your comments and suggestions. Go to the link below for details:
The files are about 5 MB each and will each take 3 to 4 minutes to download. If you are a computer wiz, tell me how to improve the access. I have the document in Published 2003. We are looking forward to your constructive comments and suggestions. The summary proposal is on its way to the government in Freetown, and there is no turning back.
Thank you, Patrick S. Bockari, Senior Partner, SLID.
http://www.ivnps.com/SLID.HTML
Subject: Re: Talk is Over! Sierra Leone Infrastructure Development -SLID
From: Mohamed Fofana
To: All
Date Posted: 22:15:07 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
After work today, I browsed through your document. I think that the two of you will be seen as the “Mulhollands” of Sierra Leone. You will go down in history as visionaries. I hope that the government will see this project and work with you to work towards a “BOLD REFORM.” You have done your research and planning. To be candid, some MPs, ministers and heads of department lack such vision.
There are 3 types of people on in this world. Type A, B and C.
1. Type "A" people are those who can THINK, PLAN and IMPLEMENT the plan.
2. Type "B" people are those who can not THINK, but can PLAN and IMPLEMENT what others Think.
3. TYPE "C" people are those who can not THINK, PLAN but, can IMPLEMENT what others THINK and PLAN.
I pray to the almighty that our leaders will be one of these types of people.
Subject: Re: Talk is Over! Sierra Leone Infrastructure Development -SLID
From: Patrick Bockari
To: All
Date Posted: 03:17:41 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: patbock48@yahoo.com
Entered From: 74-37-103-11.dsl1.ekgv.ca.frontiernet.net at 74.37.103.11
Message:
I can't thank everybody enough on this and other forums that have praised our hard work on the "Sierra Leone Infrastructure Development Proposal." We are continuing work on the Power Point Presentation that provides more galaring details. If the government fails to see this proposal for what it is, we will lobby and secure an agreement on a funding mechanism that the government will accept. Sierra Leone belongs to all of us, and we are no nonger going to sit by and allow the degrading and inhuman poverty prevailing in the country to continue while billions of dollars of our resources are being traded under grossly unfair and senseless agreements. I need to go to bed. Good nite everyone!
Subject: Re: Talk is Over! Sierra Leone Infrastructure Development -SLID
From: Chez Winakabs Europe
To: All
Date Posted: 21:49:44 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: host86-132-17-230.range86-132.btcentralplus.com at 86.132.17.230
Message:
Very impressive and promisingly reealistic. Pat and Co. Please note that a similar proposal was tabled before kabba and his cronies took it to the African Development bank and got one million dollars to do a feasibility sudy - nothing came out of it. Chief Kom kanda had this dream of seeing a bridge linking Freetown and Lungi - In the previous proposal the whole of the Lungi coast line was to be transformed into major industiral and commercial sites. the part of grafton was to also house industries and another terminal.
It is said that our leaders do not recognise the hard work of true and patriotic sierra leoneans. i pray Ernest and his team will include you in this venture. Similar gradeur projects are lying about in their offices. I pray your outfit can get the backing of the government.
Subject: Re: Talk is Over! Sierra Leone Infrastructure Development -SLID
From: Jay
To: All
Date Posted: 19:49:51 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
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Message:
To say you guys are visionaries,would be an understatement.I hope your ideas are picked up by the current government.Nice job.
Another addition would be development of ecotourism which would help project our image abroad and thus bring in investors.
Also,how about the use of landfill decomposition which produces methane gas that can be used to fuel turbine driven electricity generators,thus taken care of our blackout situation.This is way cheaper than importing oil and it is also enviromentally friendly.
Subject: Re: Talk is Over! Sierra Leone Infrastructure Development -SLID
From: Mohamed Fofana
To: All
Date Posted: 15:30:27 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 204.108.68.10
Message:
Patrick and Co,
Thank you very much. This is the kind of thing we should all be looking forward to. I like your Note of Caution below.
"NOTE OF CAUTION: [If you are one of those "pessimistic Nay Sayers" full of negativity, and believe that Sierra Leone will never boldly develop or afford modern highways & roads, or ever get adequate electricity, water supply, the Lungi Bridge, and all the other great things that bring immigrants to the USA, Europe, Australia, China, Canada, and other developed countries, THEN DON'T BOTHER TO WRITE TO US. We need those who have something positive to add to our proposal, or constructively point our problems with our proposals. You will one day see this plan implemented!]"
I have come across many Sierra Leoneans that are always full of NEGATIVE ENERGY!!!
Whenever you talk of take VERY EXCELLENT DEVELOPMENTAL Models AND SUGGEST THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO EMULATE THEM IN SIERRA LEONE, THOSE PEOPLE WILL SAY:
1. DO NOT COMPARE THE WEST WITH AFRICA
2. DO NOT COMPARE AMERICA WITH SIERRA LEONE
3. WE ARE A YOUNG DEMOCRACY AND THE OTHER COUNTIRS YOU MENTIONED ARE 100S OF YEARS AHEAD OF US, THEREFORE, IT WILL TAKE US THAT MUCH YEARS TO COME TO THAT LEVE
4. OH, YOU ARE COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES
THEY ARE ALWAYS NEGATIVE TO BOLD REFORMS.
HOWEVER, THEY ARE FAILING TO LOOK AT A TYPICAL EXAMPLE IN THE COMMUNICATION INDUSTRY. SOME COUNTRIES MOVED FROM FOOT MESSENGERS TO HORSE BACK MESSENGERS TO LETTERS TO TELEGRAMS TO TELEX MESSAGES TO LAND TELEPHONES TO MOBILE PHONES TO FAX MACHINES TO INTERNET TO EMAILS. BUT WITH RATE OF PROGRESSIVE DEVELOPMENT, COUNTRIES ARE TAKING GIANT LEAPS! YES GIANT LEAPD IN DEVELOPING THEIR COUNTRIES. THE SCAPE MONEY STAGES OTHERS WENT THROUGH.
A CASE IN POINT IS THE MOBILE PHONE AND INTERNET DEVELOPMENT IN SIERRA LEONE. NO IS SAYING THAT BEFORE I GET A MOBOLE PHONE, I SHOULD FIRST GET A LAND PHONE!
SURE, WE ARE CAPABLE OF CONTRUCTING 3 OR MORE LANES ROADS WITH VISSIBLE ROAD SIGNS IN SIERRA LEONE TODAY IF WE WANT TO. WE CAN HAVE 24 HOURS ELECTRICITY IF WE WANT. WE CAN HAVE MODERN HOSPITALS IF WE WANT. WE CAN HAVE ALL THE THINGS THAT IS MAKING US RUN TO COME TO THE DEVELOPED WORLD IF WE CAN. IT ALL DEPEND ON VISSIONARY LEADERSHIP, DEDICATION, SACRIFICE AND STAYING FOCUSS AND ZERO TOLERANCE IN TERMS OF CORRUPTION.
SO BROTHERS AND SISTERS, LET US BE POSITIVE AND ALWAYS HOPE THE BEST FOR SIERRA LEONE.
Subject: Re: Talk is Over! Sierra Leone Infrastructure Development -SLID
From: Erica Adams
To: All
Date Posted: 17:00:55 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: ericamonique82@hotmail.com
Entered From: adsl-074-185-005-235.sip.clt.bellsouth.net at 74.185.5.235
Message:
I like this. Most of the time when I'm on this forum, I get frustrated because people tear down an idea before it can even be properly discussed. The other thing that I find troublesome is that people are too quick to dismiss everything western. Just because you modify something you learned from the west and use it to benefit your country, that doesn't mean you've abandoned your culture. If you look at societies that are a melting pot of cultures, that's what makes them thrive. They are able embrace the good from other cultures and use it for the collective benefit of the country.
Lastly, if people don't want to look at the west, aren't there examples they can glean from in the region? You can't be so closed that you can't appreciate what is working in another country, learn from them, and use what is working for them to help develop your own country. I always say, why reinvent the wheel?
Subject: Re: Talk is Over! Sierra Leone Infrastructure Development -SLID
From: babbob
To: All
Date Posted: 22:21:30 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 213.42.21.60
Message:
Erica,
Please, please, please discuss about the topic INFRASTRUCTURE (building roads, bridges, housing projects, construction of facilities....) Development.
These are the things that will take us from the bottom of that UN Human Development Index.
It is different from SOCIAL/ CULTURAL Development.
I'm an Engineer so I may likely add to this later since I'm quite busy now.
Subject: Re: Talk is Over! Sierra Leone Infrastructure Development -SLID
From: Patrick Bockari
To: All
Date Posted: 18:04:22 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: patbock48@yahoo.com
Entered From: pat.fwhq2nat.dot.ca.gov at 64.174.7.191
Message:
Erica you and Mohamed Fofana are deeply appreciated. I am superstitious. There is a good omen here. You two have beaten the doom & gloom people: those ready to bring every idea down - can't be, won't happen, too good for Africa, too expensive, you did not think this thru, you droped out of college, you don't even have a college degree, and so on, and so on. I am not out of the woods yet. But I already have responses from two people who believe they can guarantee the financing and then, we go to the government and ask for the reform to pay back the money over time. I can't see us failing here.
Patrick.
Subject: Re: Talk is Over! Sierra Leone Infrastructure Development -SLID
From: alieu sesay
To: All
Date Posted: 11:55:53 10/19/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: 65.107.153.146.ptr.us.xo.net at 65.107.153.146
Message:
"we go to the government and ask for the reform to pay back the money over time"
Nice Proposal Sir. I read through the different files. You have a very brilliant idea.
my only hope is that the government will respond possitively to your IDEAS.
I will suggest you make this available to other donors-"for man can't tell".
Subject: Re: Talk is Over! Sierra Leone Infrastructure Development -SLID
From: Mohamed Fofana
To: All
Date Posted: 19:08:59 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ppp-69-233-244-59.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net at 69.233.244.59
Message:
That is the way forward. Keep it up.
Subject: FGM - Of Course! Thanks for your Support.....
From: Mbalu
To: All
Date Posted: 14:21:42 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: eduproxy3.k12.de.us at 167.21.254.13
Message:
Forumites,
I must say thanks to some of you who help educate fools like Sadam, Sampa Kuthie and others like them. The struggle will continue. I am not here to make noise out of empty barrels. I am taking my debate down to Freetown over the x-mas break. Soon, I will have a webpage or Blog up and running so that interested S/Leoneans can visit the real FGM site rather than having to listen to some of these functional illiterates.
I have lived in the Bronx (NYC) for ten years now. I fluently speak my Krio, Themne, Fula and patch patch Kono plus a little bit of mandigo. I am not copying any western crap. I am a college Prof., financially and emmotionally stable. I advice the likes of Sadam and other refugee products to go to school. This is a land of opportunity, they can be whatever they wanna be. But, they have to educate themselves, that way they can see beyond their noses.
I write this piece, because I have no time to address those demented fellows individually.
Big ups Lady J and all my supporters.
Subject: Re: FGM - Of Course! Thanks for your Support.....
From: WOE-MAN MBALIA
To: All
Date Posted: 19:07:10 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: smtpgateway.azdes.gov at 207.108.136.243
Message:
Mballu,
Refugees are not all inferior people. The misconception some people have is the word refugee is associated with inferiority. I dont think you are actually a professor. Please tell us which college you are teaching to find out for ourselves. Some of those refugees that you despise are far better than you in legal status and some even more stable financially than you think.
Some sierra leoneans have lived in this country for over ten years without legal papers.
Besides, I have known thousands of refugees who have better education and financially stable than non refugees. So quit the crap you are talking about refugees.
Subject: Re: FGM - Of Course! Thanks for your Support.....
From: POLITICAL
To: All
Date Posted: 18:57:03 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: smtpgateway.azdes.gov at 207.108.136.243
Message:
Mballu,
In your blog or site, are youn going to show pictures of the process to show the world how inhuman the practice is if you're serious? You know what I mean
Subject: Re: FGM - Of Course! Thanks for your Support.....
From: prof kalim
To: All
Date Posted: 16:25:50 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: prof@yahoo.com
Entered From: c-71-224-131-184.hsd1.nj.comcast.net at 71.224.131.184
Message:
professors dont make much in the U.s>a . u need to stop posting lies in here. professors make money when they write books that people buy or they come up with something useful. i have never heard you name in the states. so you little comunity college professors in the U.s>a without jobs stop acting like you have it good in america and you doing you country a favor they should kiss u feet. just go home and serve your country
Subject: Re: FGM - Of Course! Thanks for your Support.....
From: Lady J
To: All
Date Posted: 15:26:40 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 65.82.23.33
Message:
Mbalu,
My dear sister, you handled your brothers the way you knew how, for that I tip off my head-tie to you. In time, I believe you will approach them differently.
I earned my living using the art of communication, and everyday I’m confronted with those who have been labeled the “Hard to Serve”.
When I’m in their presence, I see what can BECOME, not what IS….
There are times when I will lead a group without saying a word, but my body language is enough to send the message of , “I’m listening … I care about you … you know you will be alright if you slow the speed of your tongue and do the deed etc ….” I apply the same method in a one-on-one setting ….. I love words, but sometimes SILENCE says it all.
When you decide to embark on your project, it’s not going to be a one-size fits all in Freetown.
As awful as our war may have been, it created an opening for enlightenment. The Demobilization and Reintegration process has brought in a different way of thinking, from those who sought shelters in different countries, and came back to their beloved Sierra Leone.
When you get there, SIT still and LISTEN before you VENTURE my dear, because the movement has already started …. I don’t want you to RUSH and get CRUSHED.
Apply the “Grey Dog” technique …i.e. … Those who have been there before you, know better, but they may not be doing it the right way … Therefore, you hook up with the Grey Dogs (ELDERS), and let them think your idea came from them … ( Nor say borku to them …. Yaing) It’s for a good cause. ….
BTW ….. My father is Loko/ Mende /Madingo from Kalangba and my mother is Fula /Temne from Sanda …. They call me Fula Musu because it’s my dominant feature.
I am a very proud Sierra Leonean, and respect my culture inspite of its pitfalls, which may change someday …. Thanks to sisters like you ….
Peace and Blessings
Subject: Re: FGM - Of Course! Thanks for your Support.....
From: POLITICO
To: All
Date Posted: 15:17:35 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 192.64.157.56
Message:
I think I have a dog in this fight. Madam professor, thanks for blowing your horn; albeit, in the wrong medium. You are educated, somehow wealthy and living a good life is the crap that disturbs. Education is not everything; I am generally offended when the so-called educated elite tries to belittle the unfortunate.
Mbalu, I am pretty sure with all your education, most of your students will get better jobs than you. WHY? I am still in touch with some of my graduate school professors…they are not happy campers. My point is keep your achievements to your self and family.
Subject: Re: FGM - Of Course! Thanks for your Support.....
From: Sadam Insane
To: All
Date Posted: 15:42:08 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: sorba_1@yahoo.com
Entered From: at 209.116.81.187
Message:
You said it all Mr Politico. By all indications, professor salary is psyche income. it has a big name but no money. I will not tell Mbalu about my status, I will leave her to punder herself. I am insame and I will remain so. But guess what? FMG FGM GFM is an insult to my people. As far as I am concern she can go to blases with it. I do not speak any other language beside mine. I refused. If I have to do it all over again, I will not even speak english.
I remain Insane
Subject: Re: FGM - Of Course! Thanks for your Support.....
From: Sadam Insane
To: All
Date Posted: 14:35:39 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: sorba_1@yahoo.com
Entered From: at 209.116.81.187
Message:
That is the problem with you Sierra Leoneans. You are alway afraid to debate the issues and bringing crap like illitrate. You might be educated and and have all the money but guess what? You are not feeding the needy in Sierra leone. Instead of doing something that will benefit the country, you are enbarking on some thing that is totally irelivant.
I am not a refugee as you claim. May be that is how you came to the United States. Or may be you parent or lelative of yours Deprived the people of Siera Leone and paid for you. Or it could even be that some man brought you into the United States and them find out that you do not worth it. Who knows?
You can take you education to banana Island and teach but leave the bondo society alone. This is not the place to discuss that crap. Once again go do a transplant if need be.
I remain Sadam.
Subject: Re: FGM - Of Course! Thanks for your Support.....
From: Erica Adams
To: All
Date Posted: 14:34:34 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: ericamonique82@hotmail.com
Entered From: adsl-074-185-005-235.sip.clt.bellsouth.net at 74.185.5.235
Message:
Mbalu,
Keep us informed as your progress. You are right, we need a different format for this discussion. It's unfortunate that so many people believe you have to agree with a procedure you didn't even consent to having and can't even see that was a violation.
Subject: Re: FGM - Of Course! Thanks for your Support.....
From: Sadam Insane
To: All
Date Posted: 15:08:04 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: sorba_1@yahoo.com
Entered From: at 209.116.81.187
Message:
You are like a minister of finance without accounting or economics background. You are in experience in this topic so stay away from it. I am going to take it easy with you because you seems gentle. I need the educated Mbalu, village degba, and society revailing Monk. It is an insult to the Sierra leonean culture. She has no culture because she is in the United States with a very heavy accent. that is her culture.
By the way I will be in Freetown too. If I have to spend my money to stop you from adverting that crap, I will. We will see who is who in Sierra Leone. You have the book and I have the cover.
Insame I am.
Subject: Re: FGM - Of Course! Thanks for your Support.....
From: Erica Adams
To: All
Date Posted: 16:23:02 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: ericamonique82@hotmail.com
Entered From: adsl-074-185-005-235.sip.clt.bellsouth.net at 74.185.5.235
Message:
Your opinion is just that, your opinion. That does not mean it is the best or the only one.
Subject: Re: FGM - Of Course! Thanks for your Support.....
From: Lodoner
To: All
Date Posted: 15:54:39 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: 82-44-249-162.cable.ubr05.haye.blueyonder.co.uk at 82.44.249.162
Message:
You sound rattled! An educated WOMAN giving your 'cultural tree' a shake ...eh? Deep insecurities surface! Ha ha ha ha!
You've got your hands full mister! This trickle is going to flow into a raging river. Mark my words!
Subject: Re: FGM - Of Course! Thanks for your Support.....
From: Sadam Insane
To: All
Date Posted: 15:59:39 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: sorba_1@yahoo.com
Entered From: at 209.116.81.187
Message:
I feel no pain brother because of who I am. As far as I am concern, she is an educationist and I am a professional. That is the different between myself and her. Being insane is professional in my book. Borbor pain, very original. She wants to fight? I will say bring it on.
Subject: Re: FGM - Of Course! Thanks for your Support.....
From: Erica Adams
To: All
Date Posted: 16:29:41 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: ericamonique82@hotmail.com
Entered From: adsl-074-185-005-235.sip.clt.bellsouth.net at 74.185.5.235
Message:
Are saying that Mbalu does not have the right to express herself as a Sierra Leonean? You are posing this as a threat to her as if she is void of any rights. Even if Mbalu is living in the west, that does not mean she doesn't have any rights as a Sierra Leonean. If people don't want to hear what she has to say, it is their right not to listen.
Subject: Can You Please Confirm!
From: Brabanxx
To: All
Date Posted: 14:11:27 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: Brabanxx@aol.com
Entered From: static-216-83-121-130.sniparpa.net at 216.83.121.130
Message:
By a letter dated 17 October,2007, President Ernest Bai Koroma has relieved the Governor of the Bank of Sierra Leone(Dr.J.D.Rogers) of his duties with immediate effect. According to unconfirmed reports the erstwhile Governor had just a few minutes ago bid farewell to staff of the Bank.
Solo.
The above writer just posted the above caption on the Albert Academy Listserve. Is there any validity to this?
Subject: LEATHERBOOT CRAP
From: Four Foot Arata
To: All
Date Posted: 13:57:14 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: us_proxy_indy.xh1.lilly.com at 40.0.40.10
Message:
Is it a job or what?
It is in good faith that I write to suggest to the developers and/ or the folks leading the State House website development project to please take into consideration the suggestions made by many of the forum participants. Someone who goes by the name “Ametaur Webmaster” on this forum started, out of the goodness of his/her heart to construct a rather presentable State House website that is comparable to state websites around the world.
Question: Why is the state house reluctant to use the better constructed and presentable site, but is instead on using the one someone called Leatherboot has created. Who is this Leatherboot by the way? Have you seen the RED and BEIGE/ YELLOW Crap of a website they have created. I guess the rat race continues - APC/ PMDC representation.
Volunteer’s Site – BETTER: http://www.statehouse-sle.info/
Leatherboot’s Site – CRAP: http://www.statehouse.sl/
Subject: Re: LEATHERBOOT CRAP
From: Town Crier
To: All
Date Posted: 14:22:36 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 198.208.251.21
Message:
In the spirit of profesionalism, the website should be bid out and professionally paid for by the govt. The site volunteered is a good idea, but it is amateurish and cannot represent our country.
Even the site before under the SLPP govt wasn't great. I'm sure there are a lot of Sierra Leoneans that can come up with a great informative, easy to navigate site properly suited to the business of the government of Sierra Leone.
I know Leatherboot does not know HTML from ABC, so it is a falsehood to say that he designed the red and yellow crap they have on the statehouse site currently.
The country's colors are green white and blue, and any site representing the govt, should have those colors or shades of those colors on it.
Subject: Re: LEATHERBOOT CRAP
From: Amateur Webmaster
To: All
Date Posted: 15:50:08 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: adsl-68-91-34-65.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net at 68.91.34.65
Message:
I am dissapointed at your referring to the website, which by the way is still under construction as amateurish.
Your judgement may have been impaired by the irony of the handle used, and you probably may not have an iota of what it takes to put a website together.
You may not even know a single meaning of any of the words with links in Spanish, French or Swedish.
Amateurish my ......
Subject: Re: LEATHERBOOT CRAP
From: ordoryor
To: All
Date Posted: 17:08:14 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-ntc-ad04.proxy.aol.com at 207.200.116.198
Message:
Finish the job first and then ask for opinions. I honestly don't think this is the right place to ask for opinions on issues like that. the slpp guys will just mess you up. they would not want you to succeed in anything. can't you see that? heck those guys were kicked out because of gross incompetence; do you think they would want you to shine? chai!
Subject: Re: LEATHERBOOT CRAP
From: Town Crier
To: All
Date Posted: 16:29:38 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 198.208.251.22
Message:
Amateur webmaster...I'm sorry you are dissapointed in my comments, but I'm being very objective.
Let me break it down for you.
First of all, you use inline styles for the font definition which as much as they work, will be hard to update should you want to change any of the font styles in the future. You should use a linked stylesheet, which can be updated once, and all the pages of the site will inherit the styles that they are linked to.
Second, there is no navigation on the pages to return from one page to the other, once linked. You are using tables for layout, and the site entrance is not intuitive (You have to tell me where to click to get to the content I want). I love the green white and blue, but too much of it, takes away from the content that you are trying to get to your audience. Less is more.
You did a lot of work to convert the site to different languages, and you are offering something better than what they have currently.
However, the design of the site is still amateurish and not enough. I stand by that.
We have a chance to change and we should now aim for the skies.
Subject: Re: LEATHERBOOT CRAP
From: Patrick Bockari
To: All
Date Posted: 14:47:56 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: patbock48@yahoo.com
Entered From: pat.fwhq2nat.dot.ca.gov at 64.174.7.191
Message:
If you good with computers, can you take my document in Publisher 2003 and format it in pdf so that it is easy for readers to access? If you can, send me an email. I have broken into 4 - 5 pages and still can of large - like 5 MB each and takes 3 to 4 minutes to open.
Here is the link:
http://www.ivnps.com/SLID.HTML
Subject: Re: LEATHERBOOT CRAP
From: Feedback
To: All
Date Posted: 15:06:13 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: us_proxy_indy.xh1.lilly.com at 40.0.40.10
Message:
Patrick - you are better off rendering your documents in html/xml instead of pdf, because PDFs could take a while to download, especially for users in locat1ons with low bandwidth. Also, most reader will need Adobe for pdf documents. Eventhough you can get Adobe free, it sometimes is an inconvenience.
Subject: Re: LEATHERBOOT CRAP
From: Patrick Bockari
To: All
Date Posted: 21:56:27 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: patbock48@yahoo.com
Entered From: 74-37-103-11.dsl1.ekgv.ca.frontiernet.net at 74.37.103.11
Message:
Thanks Feedback. I will ask my Internet guy to see what needs to be done.
Subject: John Benjamin for SLPP Party leadership
From: Town Crier
To: All
Date Posted: 13:49:00 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 198.208.251.21
Message:
Given his show of dedication, hard work, and commitment to the SLPP during the election period and before, I nominate John Benjamin as the new defacto leader of the SLPP to replace the resigned SOlomon Berewa.
Your thoughts.....
Subject: Re: John Benjamin for SLPP Party leadership
From: Sabanoh
To: All
Date Posted: 14:50:26 10/19/07 ()
Email Address: Sabanoh007@yahoo.com
Entered From: adsl-76-192-143-215.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net at 76.192.143.215
Message:
Town crier, perhaps you have cried too much in your village and you do not realize what you are saying. I can assure SLPP will never, I mean never elect a hooligan like John ben as leader. The NPRC days are gone forever. The fact that Kabba encouraged and enabled John ben to an extent does not mean that SLPP should adopt him. Kabba by his very nature attracts crooks,hooligans and tribalists. There is nothing classy or respectable about Kabba's thugs and to tell you something, SLPP does not need none of them. SLPP is going into a new era. Lonta
Subject: Re: John Benjamin for SLPP Party leadership
From: casava bread
To: All
Date Posted: 16:29:54 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: casada@yahoo.com
Entered From: c-71-224-131-184.hsd1.nj.comcast.net at 71.224.131.184
Message:
no way John Benjamin. if you fools want to bury your party choose him. Is that man 100percent Sierra Leonean even?
Subject: Re: John Benjamin for SLPP Party leadership
From: casava bread
To: All
Date Posted: 16:29:38 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: casada@yahoo.com
Entered From: c-71-224-131-184.hsd1.nj.comcast.net at 71.224.131.184
Message:
no way John Benjamin. if you fools want to bury your party choose him. Is that man 100percent Sierra Leonean even?
Subject: Re: John Benjamin for SLPP Party leadership
From: casava bread
To: All
Date Posted: 16:29:34 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: casada@yahoo.com
Entered From: c-71-224-131-184.hsd1.nj.comcast.net at 71.224.131.184
Message:
no way John Benjamin. if you fools want to bury your party choose him. Is that man 100percent Sierra Leonean even?
Subject: Re: John Benjamin for SLPP Party leadership
From: fact
To: All
Date Posted: 17:11:01 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: cache-ntc-ad04.proxy.aol.com at 207.200.116.198
Message:
Benji is the right man for slpp. why? Because na two-foot arata en nazi.
Subject: BAISNESS!!!!!
From: WHY??
To: All
Date Posted: 11:51:19 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 204.108.68.10
Message:
BIASNESS TO THE Nth. DEGREE!!!
Please look through yesterday’s postings about Foday Mansaray/to nominated Deputy Bank governor; they have been removed! Why? Can anybody explain why?
Again, let me state here that people should not be distracted with the title "MROTGAGE BANKER". It is like when you "A NURSE". Yes a nurse, but what kind of nurse? CNA, LPN/LVN, RN with AA degree or RN with BSN or RN with MSN etc. You can not appoint a certified nursing assistant (CNA) to give medications or insert an "IV" into the patient or prescribe medication for patients.
A MORTGAGE BANKER is another word for a Real Estate agent or Realtor. You don't need a degree to become one. It is a certificate program, just like the CNA program.
Realtors or Real Estate Agent are most times not honest people. Their interest is their commission per closed deals!!!!! More deals closed, more commission. It is a number game. Therefore, they manipulate, deceive and dupe their clients just to get the commission. They will know that a particular is bad but if that is where they get the commission, they will not tell you that. They will tell you otherwise.
Besides, appointed bank governors are people that are well knowledgeable in economics. They may have written books about economics, or CEOs of reputable financial institutions that have made positive impact,
Professors that have very strong views on the subject and people that have a clear sense or direction as how and how they will take the institution to the next level if given the chance. The Bank governor and his deputy, control the financial life of a country and its people. I don't think that Foday Mansaray fits into any of the above categories. If he does, let him or his friends post his credentials, what he knows about the Sierra Leone economy, where and how will take the institution to next level, relative to the current local and global economy.
Subject: Peters denies Sierra Leone job
From: Mohamed Fajah Barrie
To: All
Date Posted: 11:22:55 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: c-76-21-180-12.hsd1.va.comcast.net at 76.21.180.12
Message:
Nigerian coach James Peters has denied having talks with the SLFA
Nigerian coach James Peters has denied being appointed as the caretaker coach of the Sierra Leone's national football team.
This comes despite the Sierra Leone Football Association (SLFA) announcing that Peters would take charge of the Leone Stars as coach.
Peters had been expected by the SLFA to oversee the side's two 2010 World Cup preliminary round matches against Guinea Bissau.
However, the 55-year-old Nigerian did not lead the team out in their 1-0 win over in the first-leg game.
Peters told BBC Sport such permanent coaching arrangements were never discussed between the two parties.
'Surprise'
"I do not consider myself coach of Leone Stars because nobody from the SLFA has discussed that with me," said Peters.
"There is no paper to prove I am the coach.
"Surprisingly I heard it on the radio that I had been appointed and I think they were just deceiving the public.
"I was sent to Sierra Leone by the West African Football Union (Wafu) President-elect Dr Amos Adamu to come and give technical assistance for the Leone Stars last two matches against Benin and Bissau respectively.
"So the question of employing me as coach should not have arisen."
'Kallon'
Peters also claimed that he was not given the chance to give out technical assistance to the team as was agreed by Dr. Adamu and the SLFA.
"I was not on the bench for Bissau match because I was not given the chance to help in training the team before the match.
"I went to help train the team but I was not allowed to as I was told that Mohamed Kallon was training the team as coach instead.
"It was unprofessional and I made it clear to the SLFA that I can not be contesting for the coaching job with Kallon."
But Bah has reiterated that he agreed with Peters that he should take up the job.
"I would not be so irresponsible to go public and announce the appointment of Peters and Kanu (without it being true).
"I discussed the issue with him, together with his assistant Ahmed Kanu, and both of them agreed."
Peters is due to return home to Nigeria on 25 October.
Subject: Bondo, Ernest, NPRC - All idle talk. A child needs help!!!!!
From: Candid Opinion
To: All
Date Posted: 11:01:55 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ns.nucleusns2.com at 12.44.12.126
Message:
Komba Kambo,
Foday Mansaray,
Presidential website.
All idle.. idle talk talk business..
Show us what you got..
Action.. putting your pockit where your teeth cavity is..
Come on fella's let give this boy a decent christmas..
5, 10, 20, 50 ,100
Dollar,Pounds, we even take Guinea francs..
http://awoko.org/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=1226&cntnt01returnid=185
We now have a credible means of making sure pikin bizness gets the money.
Please make donations by clicking on the link.
http://forum.visitsierraleone.org/forum_posts.asp?TID=2314&PID=27487#27487
http://forum.visitsierraleone.org/forum_posts.asp?TID=2314&PN=1
Subject: PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE
From: Amateur Webmaster
To: All
Date Posted: 10:31:45 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ppp-68-91-34-65.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net at 68.91.34.65
Message:
Please visit the website under construction donated out of my own pocket to the new government. Please feel free to give your opinion.
Subject: ATTENTION!! This Guy was just doing a favor - checkout ...
From: Feedback
To: All
Date Posted: 16:06:19 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: us_proxy_indy.xh1.lilly.com at 40.0.40.10
Message:
the crap the state house prefers.
http://www.statehouse.sl/
Subject: Re: PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE
From: Chez Winakabs Europe
To: All
Date Posted: 15:38:48 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: host86-137-189-222.range86-137.btcentralplus.com at 86.137.189.222
Message:
We can do better than this. Substandard!! You can commission students of web design to come up with a unique website and the winner will receive a handsome token. Let the colleges take on this task!!
Subject: Re: PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE
From: Ibrahim Turay
To: All
Date Posted: 15:34:49 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: imtu71@hotmail.com
Entered From: pool-71-255-153-112.cncdnh.east.verizon.net at 71.255.153.112
Message:
I checked it out and it seems less appealing and very unprofessional, talkless of being less informative and attractive. It appears plain and simple with target of minor segment.Mind you, we talking about executive website. However, there is room for improvement so keep working and harder this time.
Subject: Re: PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE
From: Amateur Webmaster
To: All
Date Posted: 16:01:28 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ppp-68-91-34-65.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net at 68.91.34.65
Message:
The site I posted was what was put together within 2 to 4 hours after I was approached.
However, the very individuals that had asked for my to build the website hijacked the domain I had signed up for, and replaced the website I spent precious time on with the leatherboot one you now have as the official state house website.
Now, compare what was created in just 2-3 hours with what they spent the last 2-3 weeks on and decide for yourselves. Besides, my access to govt info is zero.
Subject: Re: PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE
From: Bai Bureh
To: All
Date Posted: 13:20:01 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: rastafari_ish@hotmail.com
Entered From: master-02.brg.sgsnet.se at 193.11.202.74
Message:
Lilla bror, du har gjort jätte bra.Jag hopas du ska färdiga snart! Tack så mycket.
Subject: Re: PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE
From: Hashim Daboh
To: All
Date Posted: 14:11:24 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: Gboyama@yahoo.co.uk
Entered From: host86-150-144-35.range86-150.btcentralplus.com at 86.150.144.35
Message:
Great work in progress and please accept my candid admiration for the effort to get away from the Kabbaisim . Hope you go all the way to make the site fully functional in a timely fashion . Moreover ,would you please try and include past presidential speeches dating from Sir Milton . At least let the APC show the difference and that its quite possible to do that .
However ,coupled with classified intelligence from Burkino ,Monrovia and elsewhere ,it appears we're in this for a long run as Campore seems to be everywhere in our political arrangements. Is there a subtle corner to this strange Boukina dimension .
First, Preso was seemingly obliged to visit Quagadougu -a country so far away or was it a pilgrim to the 'promised' land of m m m m . This is an issue i'll try to discuss with Preso after his hundred days grace period -why the Burkina hype in the system . Does it have anything to do with electioneering with a Liberian touch . Just a guess sir and never in haste .
Even the New State House Web seem to have a Campaore touch - whoa ! what a coincidence. But as i've said ,i'll give preso time to reflect and get his men team running before making this a matter. Both Ghadaffi and Campaore played pivotal roles in our decade of mayhem ,and Kabbah got much of his illgotten wealth from Libya save his Ship of rice for Naccit. Sankara was killed to give way to the rebels to move on with not only a training base in Burkina ,but a transit and full supply base of weaponry in our slaughter . What's going on inside the Sierra Leonean head. But let the vultures have their field day ,but be rest assured this story will come out and i hope Preso will understand my curiosity .
Subject: Re: PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE
From: Amateur Webmaster
To: All
Date Posted: 13:29:51 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: adsl-68-91-34-65.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net at 68.91.34.65
Message:
Varsågod! Men vet du att de ville inte ha det?
Subject: Re: PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE
From: Erica Adams
To: All
Date Posted: 12:42:12 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: ericamonique82@hotmail.com
Entered From: adsl-074-185-005-235.sip.clt.bellsouth.net at 74.185.5.235
Message:
What is the official web address for the government of Sierra Leone and who owns it. This needs to be addressed so that there are not issues around this from administration to administration. The official address needs to be state property.
Good effort at getting a web presence for the new administration.
Subject: Re: PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE
From: Observer
To: All
Date Posted: 13:28:08 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: adsl-68-91-34-65.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net at 68.91.34.65
Message:
Erica, thanks for the question. The official website is the one that comes on when you click on the sl.org link to the president's office.
It is disgraceful - there no single working link, and none of the pictures showing. It crap compared to the one that was donated.
Subject: Re: PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE
From: Feedback
To: All
Date Posted: 12:23:23 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: us_proxy_indy.xh1.lilly.com at 40.0.40.10
Message:
1. Upon accessing the site after clicking on the seal – the landing page could be ANNOUCEMENTS or Main State House NEWS. Regular positing on key issues addressed, major activities happening or one-liners from the president could be posted daily, and would be great. Photos like the ones you currently have displayed is still acceptable, but put some context around it to make it significant.
2. The MENU items on the left are great, but have framing/ borders to help show some organization.
3. Include a CONTACT US section – This should have official contact information for key stakeholders or officials at the State House.
4. The Other Links/ Helpful Links section should have links related to actvties of the state or ministries (e.g. immigration office, ministry of tourism, NEC, ministry of education, defense, etc. and not foreign links, newspapers, or personal owned businesses.
5. Most men are color blind, so pay attention to your font color hues, and the use of certain colors in certain ways that may cause difficulty when users navigate your pages
Subject: Re: PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE
From: Amateur Webmaster
To: All
Date Posted: 13:17:47 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: ppp-68-91-34-65.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net at 68.91.34.65
Message:
Just a goodwill offer to the new regime. It was turned down for what leatherboot had put together. Me thinks every Sierra Leoneans needs to take part in decision making especially when it comes to issues representing their identity as a peaople and nation.
I'm positive there ain't many countries with websites in French, Spanish, etc representing their nation. Being the ones that help Mother Salone sit up again, the gesture was meant to attract the attention of the IC to invest more on the poeple of Sierra Leone.
Alas, it now seems color matters more to some of us than substance. Hmmm (as I lean back).
Thanks for all the feedbacks some of which have been worked on. Thanks ideed, although it however looks like leatherboot and co may be needing them more them than I would at this point.
What I could for Sa Lone I have done entusiastically. My business of donating a website to State House is over with. The one you just saw is going the garage.
In the meanwhile, think of what awaits a country where round holes are thrusted with square pegs.
Subject: Re: PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE
From: Feedback
To: All
Date Posted: 13:41:17 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: us_proxy_indy.xh1.lilly.com at 40.0.40.10
Message:
You did a fantastic job with the updated site. Especially for an official site that is going to be used by millions across the world. I hope they truly do not plan on putting up the crap I saw in RED and BIEGE.
Thanks for all the effort.
Subject: Re: PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE
From: Amateur Webmaster
To: All
Date Posted: 13:51:58 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: adsl-68-91-34-65.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net at 68.91.34.65
Message:
Je vous en prie! - You are welcome!
Subject: Re: PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE
From: KKW
To: All
Date Posted: 11:09:15 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 204.50.182.249
Message:
Great effort.
Subject: Re: PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE
From: Neutral
To: All
Date Posted: 10:54:54 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 83.229.112.2
Message:
Good effort.Please keep it up
Subject: Re: PLEASE VISIT OUR WEBSITE
From: Feedback
To: All
Date Posted: 10:54:29 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: us_proxy_indy.xh1.lilly.com at 40.0.40.10
Message:
I would recommend that you replace "This site is under construction" with the "PLEASE Click on SEAL for Access" instruction, so the instructions is closer to the action you expect users to take. The construction al3rt should be more striking somewhere else on the page or when users access the main site. Look forward to seeing progress, but I must say is a great improvement so far.
Thanks for the opportunity to provide my feedback!
Subject: TRIBUTE TO A SALONE NATIONALIST- DR OLOH
From: alieu sesay
To: All
Date Posted: 09:13:50 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: 65.107.153.146.ptr.us.xo.net at 65.107.153.146
Message:
From Standard Times Press News Paper
IN MEMORIAM
The Great Dr Oloh Gumbay And Milo Jazz King Of Sierra Leone....Gone But Not Forgotten
By Akie Deen
Oct 18, 2007, 05:33
Olufemi Cole, commonly known as Oloh, was born in the mountain village of Leicester near Freetown on the 20th of March 1944. Born of humble parents, Dr. Oloh never enjoyed the luxury of a secondary school education.
Due to the limited financial resources of his parents, he was forced to leave school at an early age to earn a living. He traipsed all over Freetown in search of those houses where musicians used to practice. It was clear that Oloh was looking for the opportunity to get into the music business. He was always fascinated by the maestro and guitarist, Dr. Dynamite (Masokoloko). His influence on Oloh was profound. At that point in his life, he was toying with the idea of becoming a priest. But his weak educational background hampered him and he quickly abandoned his ambition of becoming a priest. Oloh then switched to music and discovered a niche in the market. As they say, the rest is history.
Dr Oloh discovered that he could still preach to people through his music. He organised his first group, comprising percussion instruments. He composed and performed songs, which were relevant to the community. Oloh rapidly became a household name.
At the early age of 10, he started making music with empty milk cans and bottles. His musical ingenuity and his unending desire to develop Sierra Leone’s rich cultural heritage, forced him into the full-blown music scene. Oloh‘s ambition was to blend the native Sierra Leonean music Caribbean and Latin American musical influences. That was the birth of his internationally famous ‘Milo Beat’. Although ‘Gumbay Beat’ had existed, Oloh saw the need to blend both sounds in his repertoire. Oloh began gaining dominance after he was invited to perform with the Creole music exponent and legend, Ebenezer Calendar.
Oloh was “awarded” a Doctorate Degree by a grateful Sierra Leonean community, which was greatly impressed with his dedication and contribution to local folk and popular music. Oloh continued to develop his musical genre, which ultimately became known as ‘Milo Jazz’. Getting people out of their seats on to the dance floor was an easy task for Oloh. His music was exciting and electrifying. There were no steps or moves to learn. It was simply a matter of responding to the beat.
That was the new circuit of ravers that Oloh animated and musically helped to de-colonise in the late Sixties and Seventies. Prior to that period, the Creoles of Freetown remained in contact with their Africana roots through ‘Gumbay Music’. That music evolved during sojourns of their ancestors in the West Indies, and they brought it back with them after surviving the long period of enslavement.
Sierra Leoneans did not only dance to the infectious beat of Milo Jazz, they also accompanied him in the singing as well. It was no longer just the music of a group of people afraid of losing their culture; it became the music of the entire nation seeking to be reunited by its culture. Oloh had many student musicians in his college and had the ability to supply an ensemble for several engagements at the same time.
In 1989, Oloh was awarded the OR (Order of Rokel) by the Government of Sierra Leone, during the Presidency of H.E. Joseph Saidu Momoh, for his musical excellence and contribution to the national development of music and culture.
Dr. Oloh had a large repertoire. Dr. Oloh and his Milo Jazz Band performed for the first time outside Sierra Leone in 1991, when he was invited by international music impresario Akie Deen to perform at the Sierra Showcase Event at the prestigious Empire Ballrooms in Leicester Square, London. In 1992 he travelled again to the United Kingdom on tour. In 1994 he performed with other Sierra Leonean musicians at a benefit concert for the late musical legend, S.E. Rogie. His last performance in London was in 1996 when he performed at the Centenary Celebration of one of Sierra Leone’s heroes, Bai Bureh.
Dr. Oloh continued his musical career until his death after a short illness in Freetown on the 13th of October 2007.
© Copyright by www.standardtimespress.net
Subject: PLEASE VISIT OUR NEW SITE
From: president transition team
To: All
Date Posted: 09:11:44 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: dhcp5734.4u.com.gh at 41.204.57.34
Message:
It was designed by Leatherboot.
Subject: Re: PLEASE VISIT OUR NEW SITE
From: KBM
To: All
Date Posted: 10:26:52 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: nnn@nnn.com
Entered From: local.ldc.co.uk at 195.92.110.42
Message:
Crap - total crap. This has to be a joke. I am an APC die hard, but believe that the State House site should reflect the national colours, not that of a party. Kasseh Burreh Makonteh
Subject: Re: PLEASE VISIT OUR NEW SITE
From: Emmanuel Jarrett
To: All
Date Posted: 09:23:04 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: na6mk2fw01.fidelity.com at 192.223.243.5
Message:
Why do they have to create a whole new website? Why not leverage what was in existence....another question is even though the site does not load, but it seems there is a red colour....is the website an APC site paid by the APC for the President and his team or a government site paid by the government of SL....
Subject: Re: PLEASE VISIT OUR NEW SITE
From: KKW
To: All
Date Posted: 09:21:51 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 204.50.182.249
Message:
Guys - go with our national colors. Enough with the red, campaign is over!
Subject: Re: PLEASE VISIT OUR NEW SITE
From: Gongoli
To: All
Date Posted: 09:21:17 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: gonos@yahoo.com
Entered From: 79-66-102-151.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com at 79.66.102.151
Message:
Call me cynical, but I know leatherboot does not have the technical know-how to design a website. Wven if he did, look at the results. My suggestion is - get it up and running before advertising it. This is supposed to be a PRESIDENTIAL website.
I am disappointed. You can abuse me or call me names, but that is my humble opinion. YOU CAN DO BETTER
Subject: Re: PLEASE VISIT OUR NEW SITE
From: editor
To: All
Date Posted: 09:16:46 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 164.82.84.3
Message:
site not ready...good try though!
Subject: 12TH ANNIVERSARY OF MILLION MAN MARCH
From: LOUIS FARRAKHAN
To: All
Date Posted: 05:37:56 10/18/07 ()
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Entered From: c-69-143-225-68.hsd1.md.comcast.net at 69.143.225.68
Message:
A life for a leader says Farrakhan for all the injustices done to black people. It is about time.
Subject: Rotten Judiciary
From: Observation
To: All
Date Posted: 04:41:32 10/18/07 ()
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Entered From: at 83.229.112.2
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Honourable Kemoh Sesay said, our Judiciary was rotten, because he was charged in the Court for fraud.Is he serious????
Subject: DIGBASOWAY GOT THE GBOARKABANAS STARTED!
From: Sampa Kuthie
To: All
Date Posted: 03:43:52 10/18/07 ()
Email Address: biomechanics7@hotmail.com
Entered From: dator5850.161.gbgsd.se at 62.88.180.250
Message:
And I am going to add more salt to their wounds.
Research has shown that most nymphomaniacs are non-FGMs and what more, 90% of horny women on daily basis are non-FGMs.
The findings of the research also confirmed that most female AIDS victims are found in countries like South Africa, Thailand and India which lends credence to the fact that countries with high populations of non-FGM females are more vulnerable to the disease.
Now to the gboarkabana trio of Mbalu, Erica and Lady J:
Mbalu is the worst of the the trio.She claims to be a SHAYMA but why on earth she is revealing the secret remains a mystery.Bondo is not just about FGM but also discipline and secrecy and Mbalu does not display any of these and that makes her the biggest of all GBOARKAS! What makes her tick? Is it because she is now in the US and thinks she is an american? One can immerse oneself into water to swim but not to be transformed into a fish! Mbalu needs to get a life and grow up!She is already a stigma to the native girls of Salone!
As for Erica and Lady J they do not know anything about the secrets of the african woman.Their tribe knows nothing about the benefits of FGM and that is why they screw around.The married ones have no respect for their husbands and knows very little about how to treat a husband.They belong to the tribe of cassonova women.They have the worst job in their hands of always having a lime fruit for company as it helps them reduce the horny feeling.
Subject: Re: DIGBASOWAY GOT THE GBOARKABANAS STARTED!
From: Mbalu
To: All
Date Posted: 13:55:15 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: eduproxy3.k12.de.us at 167.21.254.13
Message:
Sampa Kuthie,
I know I should not respond to a fool like you but I am obliged to do so in the interest of moving the FGM debate forward. All of your statements are fallacious and do not worth a pintch of salt. You definitely can not comprehend what you read, otherwise you would not accuse me of revealing any Bondo secret in this forum. Never have I made any overt reference to bondo. My discourse has strictly been tailored around the surgical removal of a vital genitalia, PERIOD! My problem regarding this FGM issue bothers around two things: (i) the use of non-sterile instruments to execute the surgical process which puts those of us that are victims at a high risk of countless of diseases, and (ii) the after-effect of the lack of sexual drive that one is left with after undergoing such a crude procedure.
Now, if you grew up in S/L and attended school up to form five like me, and if you have average intelligence, go look at your biology text book (like the famous Stone & Cozens) and refute any of my concerns just highlighted above. Since you write like an immature functional illiterate, I refuse to further any arguments with you but rather ask that you stay away from the all important FGM debate.
To some of your other equally demented colleagues, I will be in Freetown over the x-mas break and they are invited to join me or confront me.
Subject: Re: DIGBASOWAY GOT THE GBOARKABANAS STARTED!
From: WISDOM
To: All
Date Posted: 14:40:47 10/18/07 ()
Email Address:
Entered From: at 204.108.68.10
Message:
WHEN YOU COME BACK FROM SIERRA LEONE, SHARE YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH US. I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE GOOD, BUT ALL THE BEST. PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU TAKE THE DEBATE "FACE ON" WITH THOSE TRIBES AND AREAS THAT ARE ACTUALLY PRACTISING FGM. DON NOT JUST CONCENTRATE THE DEBATE ON THE NON FGM TRIBES AND OR AREAS!
I HOPE THAT NOBODY WILL PHYSICALLY MANHANDLE YOU IN THE PRVINCES. TRAVEL ARROUND THE COUTRY DEBATING IT AND ONCE AGAIN GOOD LUCK!